> Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, Moxie, and probably a bunch others that I can't think

> Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, Moxie, and probably a bunch others that I can't think of in 5 seconds. (Probably look at the staff list at EFF web page.) > distrust of mainstream news, I can guarantee you the next mainstream news article critical of adtech here on HN will have its normal share of knee-jerk cranks who justify not reading the article by lazy reference to the Gell-Mann Amnesia Affectation. So don't worry at all about that one. > and strong convictions about free speech Yes, those strong convictions have apparently been slipping, but it's across the board and for decades. If anyone has some sources that explain this trend I'd be interested in reading them. > and open platforms Oh, those. They're either stuck in the 90s because it's impossible to make them secure after the fact, or they are full of open research problems. Counterexamples welcome.