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Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nucle

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situation is.

tptacek 6y ago
The same thing happened with Gab, which was pushed nearly out of existence after (iirc?) the Tree of Life shooting.
johnchristopher 6y ago
Same line of thinking among officials and POTUS's entourage is being reported (I don't know if the source is reliable) : > High-ranking national-security officials have spent the last 24 hours scrambling to figure out how to keep their commander-in-chief, Donald Trump, from inciting further violence at home, spilling national secrets, or sparking last-minute confrontations with international foes. > The concerns in the upper echelons of the administration’s national-security community range from fears inside the Pentagon that the president will do or say something that effectively throws the U.S. into a military confrontation with another country to anxieties in the intelligence apparatus that Trump will divulge classified intelligence on his way out, according to four officials who spoke with The Daily Beast about the matter. All requested to remain anonymous in order to speak more openly about the discussions. > “This isn’t a hypothetical anymore,” said one senior administration official. “This is real. What happened yesterday changed the calculus. People are concerned about [the president’s] state of mind.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-capitol-riot-trump-officials-rush-to-keep-him-from-sparking-another-conflictat-home-or-abroad https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-capitol-riot-trump-offic...
- Mtinie 6y ago
  If they were really that concerned V.P. Pence would have support of the Cabinet and could invoke the 25 Amendment. It’s quite possible what you relayed is true. However, coming from The Daily Beast you need to take things reported with a grain of salt.
  - chefkoch 6y ago
    Pence made clear he doesn't want to be the kingslayer.
  - hchz 6y ago
    They need to balance this against the impact this would have on their long-term ability to minimize taxes for the wealthy.
rootusrootus 6y ago
> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. Judging from what Pelosi has been doing, you are not alone with that concern. I hope there are enough people in between him and the actual button that would decide his order was unlawful.
- jldugger 6y ago
  >I hope there are enough people in between There are -- the football is merely used to inform the relevant parties that the president has made the order, and, except for the submariners, those soldiers are probably aware of the events of the past 48h.
  - hchz 6y ago
    I believe SSBN crews would have been informed of these events by their CO over 1MC, and I'm sure COB would have his hands full censoring everybody's inbound email. Now I need to ask my boys when they come back in...
- hchz 6y ago
  There are controls in place to delay a launch order that comes out of nowhere. Who knows what would happen. It's heartening that in multiple instances, both the US and USSR ignored positive and confirmed indications of massive incoming attack in the hopes they were erroneous.
SoSoRoCoCo 6y ago
> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of the population), this is just the start. I don't think Civil War is an exaggeration any longer, unless the Biden admin clamps down on the armed insurrection boiling over in the reddest parts of the country.
- ficklepickle 6y ago
  Clamping down is not notoriously effective. It has a tendency to build pressure, not release it. Better to try and understand the complex psycho-social-economic factors that lead to this situation. Without a clear understanding of how a problem came to be, how can it be fixed?
  - metabagel 6y ago
    By sending the people who participated or incited the riot to prison. Seriously, it's either that or the next coup will be successful.
  - greedo 6y ago
    Re-educating people has horrible connotations of Vietnam, Modern day China, etc and really doesn't work. So the most likely way of changing people's hearts and minds is war. Germans became peace lovers really fast after their country was destroyed end to end. Same with Japan. As an American I hope it doesn't come to that. I fear we'll end up experiencing something like the Troubles. Low grade civil war.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      I don't see any mention of reeducation in that comment, I see a suggestion to seek understanding of what's going on. A rather old-fashioned idea I must admit, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
ficklepickle 6y ago
I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I believe tribalism is a vestigial trait most harmful to modern humanity and it should be discouraged whenever possible. We have changed our environment faster than evolution can keep up, so we are going to have to use our conscious minds to compensate if we are to stand a chance at long-term survival. This needn't be limited to genetic modification. Society can be modified, and it starts with one mind.
- jacobolus 6y ago
  White supremacist violence clearly has a long history in America, and a significant support base, from the founding down to the present day. So calling it "un-American" is a bit selective about what counts as American. What we can fairly call this is anti-republican and seditious.
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- metabagel 6y ago
  In this context, I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic. When the President foments an angry mob to attack the capitol and threaten the lives of legislators, we are through the looking glass.
- toast0 6y ago
  > I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. It's whatever the House Un-American Activities Committee doesn't like, isn't it?
- scarmig 6y ago
  If someone flew a plane into the White House to destroy the American government, is that anti-American? If someone invites a mob to attack the Capitol and take the national legislature hostage, is that anti-American?
juusto 6y ago
Do you mean he would use nuclear weapons against its own people? What's the stop gap for the military in case an order this crazy would be made? Is he respected enough in the military circles that they would carry out his command?
vaxman 6y ago
It's too late for Twitter and Facebook and this wasn't the right way to handle what obviously is a real problem for them anyway. Watch as the Democrats move even swifter than the Republicans on these "publishers." All parties will say it is to prevent another Trump from rising, but it is truly for the same fundamental reason the CCP is coming down on Jack Ma right now. If Dorsey and Zuckerberg are lucky, they will be able to yield to a new regulatory agency not unlike the FCC (only that will routinely impose fines in the billions not millions, since this is all Monopoly money to the young partially-insane-for-playing-these-games-with-investors-anyway tech people).
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25692148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25692148.

tptacek 6y ago

The same thing happened with Gab, which was pushed nearly out of existence after (iirc?) the Tree of Life shooting.

johnchristopher 6y ago

Same line of thinking among officials and POTUS's entourage is being reported (I don't know if the source is reliable) : > High-ranking national-security officials have spent the last 24 hours scrambling to figure out how to keep their commander-in-chief, Donald Trump, from inciting further violence at home, spilling national secrets, or sparking last-minute confrontations with international foes. > The concerns in the upper echelons of the administration’s national-security community range from fears inside the Pentagon that the president will do or say something that effectively throws the U.S. into a military confrontation with another country to anxieties in the intelligence apparatus that Trump will divulge classified intelligence on his way out, according to four officials who spoke with The Daily Beast about the matter. All requested to remain anonymous in order to speak more openly about the discussions. > “This isn’t a hypothetical anymore,” said one senior administration official. “This is real. What happened yesterday changed the calculus. People are concerned about [the president’s] state of mind.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-capitol-riot-trump-officials-rush-to-keep-him-from-sparking-another-conflictat-home-or-abroad https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-capitol-riot-trump-offic...

Mtinie 6y ago
If they were really that concerned V.P. Pence would have support of the Cabinet and could invoke the 25 Amendment. It’s quite possible what you relayed is true. However, coming from The Daily Beast you need to take things reported with a grain of salt.
- chefkoch 6y ago
  Pence made clear he doesn't want to be the kingslayer.
- hchz 6y ago
  They need to balance this against the impact this would have on their long-term ability to minimize taxes for the wealthy.

rootusrootus 6y ago

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. Judging from what Pelosi has been doing, you are not alone with that concern. I hope there are enough people in between him and the actual button that would decide his order was unlawful.

jldugger 6y ago
>I hope there are enough people in between There are -- the football is merely used to inform the relevant parties that the president has made the order, and, except for the submariners, those soldiers are probably aware of the events of the past 48h.
- hchz 6y ago
  I believe SSBN crews would have been informed of these events by their CO over 1MC, and I'm sure COB would have his hands full censoring everybody's inbound email. Now I need to ask my boys when they come back in...
hchz 6y ago
There are controls in place to delay a launch order that comes out of nowhere. Who knows what would happen. It's heartening that in multiple instances, both the US and USSR ignored positive and confirmed indications of massive incoming attack in the hopes they were erroneous.

SoSoRoCoCo 6y ago

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of the population), this is just the start. I don't think Civil War is an exaggeration any longer, unless the Biden admin clamps down on the armed insurrection boiling over in the reddest parts of the country.

ficklepickle 6y ago
Clamping down is not notoriously effective. It has a tendency to build pressure, not release it. Better to try and understand the complex psycho-social-economic factors that lead to this situation. Without a clear understanding of how a problem came to be, how can it be fixed?
- metabagel 6y ago
  By sending the people who participated or incited the riot to prison. Seriously, it's either that or the next coup will be successful.
- greedo 6y ago
  Re-educating people has horrible connotations of Vietnam, Modern day China, etc and really doesn't work. So the most likely way of changing people's hearts and minds is war. Germans became peace lovers really fast after their country was destroyed end to end. Same with Japan. As an American I hope it doesn't come to that. I fear we'll end up experiencing something like the Troubles. Low grade civil war.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    I don't see any mention of reeducation in that comment, I see a suggestion to seek understanding of what's going on. A rather old-fashioned idea I must admit, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

ficklepickle 6y ago

I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I believe tribalism is a vestigial trait most harmful to modern humanity and it should be discouraged whenever possible. We have changed our environment faster than evolution can keep up, so we are going to have to use our conscious minds to compensate if we are to stand a chance at long-term survival. This needn't be limited to genetic modification. Society can be modified, and it starts with one mind.

jacobolus 6y ago
White supremacist violence clearly has a long history in America, and a significant support base, from the founding down to the present day. So calling it "un-American" is a bit selective about what counts as American. What we can fairly call this is anti-republican and seditious.
- deleted 6y ago
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metabagel 6y ago
In this context, I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic. When the President foments an angry mob to attack the capitol and threaten the lives of legislators, we are through the looking glass.
toast0 6y ago
> I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. It's whatever the House Un-American Activities Committee doesn't like, isn't it?
scarmig 6y ago
If someone flew a plane into the White House to destroy the American government, is that anti-American? If someone invites a mob to attack the Capitol and take the national legislature hostage, is that anti-American?

juusto 6y ago

Do you mean he would use nuclear weapons against its own people? What's the stop gap for the military in case an order this crazy would be made? Is he respected enough in the military circles that they would carry out his command?

vaxman 6y ago

It's too late for Twitter and Facebook and this wasn't the right way to handle what obviously is a real problem for them anyway. Watch as the Democrats move even swifter than the Republicans on these "publishers." All parties will say it is to prevent another Trump from rising, but it is truly for the same fundamental reason the CCP is coming down on Jack Ma right now. If Dorsey and Zuckerberg are lucky, they will be able to yield to a new regulatory agency not unlike the FCC (only that will routinely impose fines in the billions not millions, since this is all Monopoly money to the young partially-insane-for-playing-these-games-with-investors-anyway tech people).

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25692148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25692148.