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I'm receiving your benign post in a harmful manner. What should we do in this situation?

by copperwater69 6y ago

scoopertrooper 6y ago
How many police officers have you killed since receiving this post?
- copperwater69 6y ago
  The same amount killed from those two trump tweets
  - scoopertrooper 6y ago
    No mention of the hundreds of preceded them? Actions have consequences.
    - totony 6y ago
      As a data point, I haven't killed anyone because of trump tweets
      - scoopertrooper 6y ago
        The people that receive Trump tweets and go on to attempt a violent insurrection against the government are admittedly in the long tail; I don't think that fact negates the fact it happened.
        totony 6y ago
        But isn't there always a long tail that will cause chaos or take things in a bad way? Especially with the sheer size of Trump's audience.
        scoopertrooper 6y ago
        It's not as though Donald Trump was tweeting about his favourite national holidays since the election and some lone wolf got the wrong idea. Donald Trump has consistently used his Twitter account to demonise the people that were in the building that was attacked. He suggested that the Democratic Party, in coalition with a supposed 'deep state', systematically rigged an election. He posted and retweeted outrageous conspiracies about how these forces worked to steal the election and abrogate the American constitution. More than that, he used his Twitter account to promote the very rally that preceded the act of insurrection. > I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won’t stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen. @senatemajldr @JohnCornyn @SenJohnThune > Washington is being inundated with people who don’t want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won’t take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! > The “Surrender Caucus” within the Republican Party will go down in infamy as weak and ineffective “guardians” of our Nation, who were willing to accept the certification of fraudulent presidential numbers! > How can you certify an election when the numbers being certified are verifiably WRONG. You will see the real numbers tonight during my speech, but especially on JANUARY 6th. @SenTomCotton Republicans have pluses & minuses, but one thing is sure, THEY NEVER FORGET! > Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth! > “Georgia election data, just revealed, shows that over 17,000 votes illegally flipped from Trump to Biden.” @OANN This alone (there are many other irregularities) is enough to easily “swing Georgia to Trump”. #StopTheSteal @HawleyMO @SenTedCruz @Jim_Jordan > The number of cases and deaths of the China Virus is far exaggerated in the United States because of @CDCgov’s ridiculous method of determination compared to other countries, many of whom report, purposely, very inaccurately and low. “When in doubt, call it Covid.” Fake News! > An attempt to steal a landslide win. Can’t let it happen! https://t.co/sKn4iTjUy0 https://t.co/sKn4iTjUy0 > ....that, quite frankly, didn’t have much of a chance, like 7, 8 or 9. The Presidential Election was Rigged with hundreds of thousands of ballots mysteriously flowing into Swing States very late at night as everyone thought the election was easily won by me. There were many.... > I will be speaking at the SAVE AMERICA RALLY tomorrow on the Ellipse at 11AM Eastern. Arrive early — doors open at 7AM Eastern. BIG CROWDS! https://t.co/k4blXESc0c https://t.co/k4blXESc0c > RT @AmyKremer: We are excited to announce the site of our January 6th event will be The Ellipse in the President’s Park, just steps from th… https://www.thetrumparchive.com/ https://www.thetrumparchive.com/
        benmmurphy 6y ago
        This is an outrageous standard to hold over a person. So if any whackjob reads a politician's statement and subsequently commits a crime the politician should be held responsible by the media and removed from office. I've reviewed a transcript of Trump's 6th January speech and there is no incitement to commit crimes in it. I am not intimately familiar with Trump's tweeting history but my guess is there is no incitement to commit crimes in that body of text either.
        scoopertrooper 6y ago
        I posted some of his recent Twitter activity in response to another comment. I'll allow you to make up your own mind as to whether a reasonable person could determine there was a proximate cause between his tweeting and the violent acts on 6 January. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25693620 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25693620
dageshi 6y ago
Construct your own bubble of reality to legitimise any and all actions you might choose to take?
deleted 6y ago
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nkrisc 6y ago
If it's only you, then nothing.
danaliv 6y ago
I suspect no matter what we do you’re going to continue arguing in bad faith while pretending nothing happened Wednesday and Trump isn’t sui generis.
thereare5lights 6y ago
Prove their point by getting millions of others to also receive it in a harmful manner and then also have them take violent action.
1propionyl 6y ago
Ah, but here's the rub: danaliv isn't (I don't think...) the President of the United States, much less one who has repeatedly offered support and comfort to people who have committed acts of violence and insurrection. Context matters.
- danaliv 6y ago
  > danaliv isn't (I don't think...) the President of the United States Now there’s a terrifying thought.
bcrosby95 6y ago
The problem is whether through incompetence or on purpose, Donald Trump has a history of being unable to - unequivocally - denounce the people that do this shit in his name. He always throws in random bullshit that they can interpret as support for their actions and goals. Personally I just think he has a hard time saying bad things about people that support him. But it's a pretty big fucking problem when they're doing things like this.
santoshalper 6y ago
The tweets were not benign, and the repercussions were obvious and many people predicted this outcome. You are being hopelessly obtuse because you are blinded by fanaticism.

I'm receiving your benign post in a harmful manner. What should we do in this situation?

scoopertrooper 6y ago

How many police officers have you killed since receiving this post?

copperwater69 6y ago
The same amount killed from those two trump tweets
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  No mention of the hundreds of preceded them? Actions have consequences.
  - totony 6y ago
    As a data point, I haven't killed anyone because of trump tweets
    - scoopertrooper 6y ago
      The people that receive Trump tweets and go on to attempt a violent insurrection against the government are admittedly in the long tail; I don't think that fact negates the fact it happened.
      - totony 6y ago
        But isn't there always a long tail that will cause chaos or take things in a bad way? Especially with the sheer size of Trump's audience.
        scoopertrooper 6y ago
        It's not as though Donald Trump was tweeting about his favourite national holidays since the election and some lone wolf got the wrong idea. Donald Trump has consistently used his Twitter account to demonise the people that were in the building that was attacked. He suggested that the Democratic Party, in coalition with a supposed 'deep state', systematically rigged an election. He posted and retweeted outrageous conspiracies about how these forces worked to steal the election and abrogate the American constitution. More than that, he used his Twitter account to promote the very rally that preceded the act of insurrection. > I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won’t stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen. @senatemajldr @JohnCornyn @SenJohnThune > Washington is being inundated with people who don’t want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won’t take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! > The “Surrender Caucus” within the Republican Party will go down in infamy as weak and ineffective “guardians” of our Nation, who were willing to accept the certification of fraudulent presidential numbers! > How can you certify an election when the numbers being certified are verifiably WRONG. You will see the real numbers tonight during my speech, but especially on JANUARY 6th. @SenTomCotton Republicans have pluses & minuses, but one thing is sure, THEY NEVER FORGET! > Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth! > “Georgia election data, just revealed, shows that over 17,000 votes illegally flipped from Trump to Biden.” @OANN This alone (there are many other irregularities) is enough to easily “swing Georgia to Trump”. #StopTheSteal @HawleyMO @SenTedCruz @Jim_Jordan > The number of cases and deaths of the China Virus is far exaggerated in the United States because of @CDCgov’s ridiculous method of determination compared to other countries, many of whom report, purposely, very inaccurately and low. “When in doubt, call it Covid.” Fake News! > An attempt to steal a landslide win. Can’t let it happen! https://t.co/sKn4iTjUy0 https://t.co/sKn4iTjUy0 > ....that, quite frankly, didn’t have much of a chance, like 7, 8 or 9. The Presidential Election was Rigged with hundreds of thousands of ballots mysteriously flowing into Swing States very late at night as everyone thought the election was easily won by me. There were many.... > I will be speaking at the SAVE AMERICA RALLY tomorrow on the Ellipse at 11AM Eastern. Arrive early — doors open at 7AM Eastern. BIG CROWDS! https://t.co/k4blXESc0c https://t.co/k4blXESc0c > RT @AmyKremer: We are excited to announce the site of our January 6th event will be The Ellipse in the President’s Park, just steps from th… https://www.thetrumparchive.com/ https://www.thetrumparchive.com/
      - benmmurphy 6y ago
        This is an outrageous standard to hold over a person. So if any whackjob reads a politician's statement and subsequently commits a crime the politician should be held responsible by the media and removed from office. I've reviewed a transcript of Trump's 6th January speech and there is no incitement to commit crimes in it. I am not intimately familiar with Trump's tweeting history but my guess is there is no incitement to commit crimes in that body of text either.
        scoopertrooper 6y ago
        I posted some of his recent Twitter activity in response to another comment. I'll allow you to make up your own mind as to whether a reasonable person could determine there was a proximate cause between his tweeting and the violent acts on 6 January. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25693620 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25693620

dageshi 6y ago

Construct your own bubble of reality to legitimise any and all actions you might choose to take?

deleted 6y ago

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nkrisc 6y ago

If it's only you, then nothing.

danaliv 6y ago

I suspect no matter what we do you’re going to continue arguing in bad faith while pretending nothing happened Wednesday and Trump isn’t sui generis.

thereare5lights 6y ago

Prove their point by getting millions of others to also receive it in a harmful manner and then also have them take violent action.

1propionyl 6y ago

Ah, but here's the rub: danaliv isn't (I don't think...) the President of the United States, much less one who has repeatedly offered support and comfort to people who have committed acts of violence and insurrection. Context matters.

danaliv 6y ago
> danaliv isn't (I don't think...) the President of the United States Now there’s a terrifying thought.

bcrosby95 6y ago

The problem is whether through incompetence or on purpose, Donald Trump has a history of being unable to - unequivocally - denounce the people that do this shit in his name. He always throws in random bullshit that they can interpret as support for their actions and goals. Personally I just think he has a hard time saying bad things about people that support him. But it's a pretty big fucking problem when they're doing things like this.

santoshalper 6y ago

The tweets were not benign, and the repercussions were obvious and many people predicted this outcome. You are being hopelessly obtuse because you are blinded by fanaticism.