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> that ultimately led to This seems a very dangerous line of reasoning. For example, I wonder how many violent crimes alcohol ultimately led to. How many vio

> that ultimately led to This seems a very dangerous line of reasoning. For example, I wonder how many violent crimes alcohol ultimately led to. How many violent crimes Facebook ultimately led to. How many violent crimes encryption ultimately led to. In a court of law, there is a distinction drawn between different events leading up to a crime, with a great deal of thought put into which of those events can be held responsible and which cannot. Now, Apple or others don't have to follow that reasoning, at least absent being involved in any court cases, but there is a great deal of wisdom in that reasoning that it would be dangerous to dismiss when politically convenient.

nackerhewz 6y ago
A very wise remark.
mullingitover 6y ago
The difference here will be the whether Parler was negligent. If they had calls for violence on their platform that were reported to them, and their community moderation team was so short-staffed that they didn't act on them, Parler could have culpability. Facebook, et al have moderation mechanisms that can probably withstand scrutiny, but Parler sounds like an extremely lean operation that the discovery process may reveal to have negligently failed to act on information that led to death. It's not about people disliking their political speech, it's about them ignoring things they had a responsibility to act on.
- Jommi 6y ago
  I don't get it. Excuse the analogy but are you staying that if someone plans a protest in my Minecraft server, and the protest turns violent - I can be held to blame for that?
  - mullingitover 6y ago
    If someone told you people were plotting to overthrow the government on your minecraft server, and you didn't act on that, you could be culpable if that report turned out to be true. If people died, their next of kin could hold you accountable for civil damages in a wrongful death suit.
- nackerhewz 6y ago
  So then it potentially becomes impossible to create a startup that replaces existing social networks due to moderation requirements. Facebook and twitter got lucky they didn't get killed this way in the early days. This is similar to the criticism on the EU automated copyright violation detect requirements. If moderation laws essentially make it impossible to build new mass platforms, then that creates a very strong case for having rights to have unrestricted open access to existing platforms, does it not? For example, the networks then wouldn't be able to issue lifetime bans at their discretion.
  - mullingitover 6y ago
    It's not difficult to create new social media platforms. They're created all the time. If your newborn community attracts so many bad actors that they become such a drag on your business that you can't operate because of the liabilities the create for you, you are a victim of these bad actors. You're not the victim of a functioning legal system.

nackerhewz 6y ago

A very wise remark.

mullingitover 6y ago

The difference here will be the whether Parler was negligent. If they had calls for violence on their platform that were reported to them, and their community moderation team was so short-staffed that they didn't act on them, Parler could have culpability. Facebook, et al have moderation mechanisms that can probably withstand scrutiny, but Parler sounds like an extremely lean operation that the discovery process may reveal to have negligently failed to act on information that led to death. It's not about people disliking their political speech, it's about them ignoring things they had a responsibility to act on.

Jommi 6y ago
I don't get it. Excuse the analogy but are you staying that if someone plans a protest in my Minecraft server, and the protest turns violent - I can be held to blame for that?
- mullingitover 6y ago
  If someone told you people were plotting to overthrow the government on your minecraft server, and you didn't act on that, you could be culpable if that report turned out to be true. If people died, their next of kin could hold you accountable for civil damages in a wrongful death suit.
nackerhewz 6y ago
So then it potentially becomes impossible to create a startup that replaces existing social networks due to moderation requirements. Facebook and twitter got lucky they didn't get killed this way in the early days. This is similar to the criticism on the EU automated copyright violation detect requirements. If moderation laws essentially make it impossible to build new mass platforms, then that creates a very strong case for having rights to have unrestricted open access to existing platforms, does it not? For example, the networks then wouldn't be able to issue lifetime bans at their discretion.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  It's not difficult to create new social media platforms. They're created all the time. If your newborn community attracts so many bad actors that they become such a drag on your business that you can't operate because of the liabilities the create for you, you are a victim of these bad actors. You're not the victim of a functioning legal system.