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2016-2020 is going to leave such a hangover for everyone who abandoned their convictions for free speech and open platforms. Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be

2016-2020 is going to leave such a hangover for everyone who abandoned their convictions for free speech and open platforms. Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, distrust of mainstream news, and strong convictions about free speech and open platforms. And where are they now? "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

abc_lisper 6y ago
No, because he abused it by being a gas lighter. He hacked the hackers, lol.
rajacombinator 6y ago
Maybe amongst certain niche communities, but (sadly) these have been a tiny, tiny fraction of the tech population for long time.
beerandt 6y ago
Always imagine the worst abuser of a power obtaining it, before granting any power to a government entity.
jancsika 6y ago
> Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, Moxie, and probably a bunch others that I can't think of in 5 seconds. (Probably look at the staff list at EFF web page.) > distrust of mainstream news, I can guarantee you the next mainstream news article critical of adtech here on HN will have its normal share of knee-jerk cranks who justify not reading the article by lazy reference to the Gell-Mann Amnesia Affectation. So don't worry at all about that one. > and strong convictions about free speech Yes, those strong convictions have apparently been slipping, but it's across the board and for decades. If anyone has some sources that explain this trend I'd be interested in reading them. > and open platforms Oh, those. They're either stuck in the 90s because it's impossible to make them secure after the fact, or they are full of open research problems. Counterexamples welcome.
- vimy 6y ago
  > Yes, those strong convictions have apparently been slipping, but it's across the board and for decades. If anyone has some sources that explain this trend I'd be interested in reading them. https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897 https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Gen...

abc_lisper 6y ago

No, because he abused it by being a gas lighter. He hacked the hackers, lol.

rajacombinator 6y ago

Maybe amongst certain niche communities, but (sadly) these have been a tiny, tiny fraction of the tech population for long time.

beerandt 6y ago

Always imagine the worst abuser of a power obtaining it, before granting any power to a government entity.

jancsika 6y ago

> Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, Moxie, and probably a bunch others that I can't think of in 5 seconds. (Probably look at the staff list at EFF web page.) > distrust of mainstream news, I can guarantee you the next mainstream news article critical of adtech here on HN will have its normal share of knee-jerk cranks who justify not reading the article by lazy reference to the Gell-Mann Amnesia Affectation. So don't worry at all about that one. > and strong convictions about free speech Yes, those strong convictions have apparently been slipping, but it's across the board and for decades. If anyone has some sources that explain this trend I'd be interested in reading them. > and open platforms Oh, those. They're either stuck in the 90s because it's impossible to make them secure after the fact, or they are full of open research problems. Counterexamples welcome.

vimy 6y ago
> Yes, those strong convictions have apparently been slipping, but it's across the board and for decades. If anyone has some sources that explain this trend I'd be interested in reading them. https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897 https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Gen...