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Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known thin

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

dzeanah 6y ago
I really hope this is sarcasm.
- ohgodplsno 6y ago
  Parler is incapable and unwilling to moderate nazis, white supremacists and terrorists. Worse, they thrive on those users. First they came for the nazis, and I didn't say anything because, well, fuck nazis. Then end.
  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    If a society can't cope with people converting to Nazism because they read something on Facebook, I don't believe it's worthy of continuing.
    - Eiriksmal 6y ago
      I've often thought about this same point. Isn't interesting that last week, an article summarizing the soft sciences' best attempt at determining whether allowing children to play violent video games makes them actually violent later in life was so well received? No one on Hacker News was surprised that shooting people in video games does not correlate to shooting people in real life. But if someone is permitted to watch Islamic terrorist propaganda, or read white supremacist's flawed logical arguments, that's somehow guaranteed to convert some percentage of people to those ideologies; therefore they should be banned from all platforms.
      - ohgodplsno 6y ago
        Few videos games are explicitly meant to instill hatred, and especially not through actual people. DOOM might suggest me to RIP AND TEAR, but there is a quite obvious disconnect from reality. The closest game that I can think of in this case is Hatred. But even then, it is so ridiculously over the top (both in terms of writing and the angle at which the game is played) that you're disconnected from it. Compare that to Parler, where you usually join because "hey, those people are conservatives, like me". Neonazis have gotten pretty damn good at slowly steering people to what they want. Hiding your power level and all. Suddenly, in a place where you feel safe, some people start telling you that, say, it's all because of antifas. You might not believe it at first. But through repeated exposure, in a place where you feel safe, slowly but surely it seeps in. There are studies on how much more easily the brain is affected when you feel in a safe place. Going to Parler for most people isn't to see what the white supremacists are about these days. Just hop on /Pol/ for that, or Stormfront for actual Nazis and you'll see it.
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throwaway3699 6y ago
> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Edit: Fascism literally means big corporations and governments imposing a moral structure on society. What Apple is doing is fascist. It's also stupidly anticompetitive by not booting Facebook and Twitter off for the same reasons.
- mnouquet 6y ago
  > Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Ever since SJW decided that if you weren't with them, you were against them, ie. you were a fascist.
  - YarickR2 6y ago
    I'm not sure if /s is omitted intentionally, or it eas never meant to be there
    - nailer 6y ago
      Are you saying that people on the far left don't state that anyone that disagrees with them is a fascist?
      - input_sh 6y ago
        Yes.
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- mmastrac 6y ago
  > Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. Good for you? If you think getting the alt-right and Q-conspiracy people off easily-accessible platforms is facism, I'm glad you're leaving the industry.
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nackerhewz 6y ago
This is very bad for democracy. Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say, that person holds all the power and is hence a dictator. Having a dictator isn't very democratic.
- mnouquet 6y ago
  > Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? SJW.
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  >Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? Apple, if it's on their platform. In an alternate universe, the elected representatives of the populace. >If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say The U.S. and all countries already do this through the numerous exceptions to free speech rights.
zamalek 6y ago
> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. This was not free speech, as has been defined by the US Supreme Court for at least a century, because "fighting words" (speech that may lead to the harm or limitation of rights of others) are not considered free speech. Talking about racism and other bad ideas is protected, but suggesting sedition and bodily harm is not. This is good to know in the coming days when the fascists come out of the woodwork.
zaroth 6y ago
And herein lies the danger behind scurrilous invocation of terms like “insurrection” and “coup”. It’s an attempted justification for the “cleansing” that’s already well underway on Twitter today, and will continue unabated for as long as the majority is silent while the radicals cheer it on. While a small minority loudly yell ”good riddance” the rest of us wonder what happens next time we write something wrong.
- bladefire 6y ago
  They don't have not understand boundaries, they can't see beyond the tip of their nose, and as long as Amazon is still delivering, this will never end.
willyg123 6y ago
I don't think there's much doubt that social media platform algos increased the flaming the flames over a period of years. What we're talking about here is their role as a means of communication over days/weeks. If we are talking about their role as a means of communication, where is the rage at Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, etc.? The is where the argument of repealing Section 230 because of the insurrection breaks down.
zionic 6y ago
The only difference between insurrection and resistance is corporate sponsorship.

dzeanah 6y ago

I really hope this is sarcasm.

ohgodplsno 6y ago
Parler is incapable and unwilling to moderate nazis, white supremacists and terrorists. Worse, they thrive on those users. First they came for the nazis, and I didn't say anything because, well, fuck nazis. Then end.
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  If a society can't cope with people converting to Nazism because they read something on Facebook, I don't believe it's worthy of continuing.
  - Eiriksmal 6y ago
    I've often thought about this same point. Isn't interesting that last week, an article summarizing the soft sciences' best attempt at determining whether allowing children to play violent video games makes them actually violent later in life was so well received? No one on Hacker News was surprised that shooting people in video games does not correlate to shooting people in real life. But if someone is permitted to watch Islamic terrorist propaganda, or read white supremacist's flawed logical arguments, that's somehow guaranteed to convert some percentage of people to those ideologies; therefore they should be banned from all platforms.
    - ohgodplsno 6y ago
      Few videos games are explicitly meant to instill hatred, and especially not through actual people. DOOM might suggest me to RIP AND TEAR, but there is a quite obvious disconnect from reality. The closest game that I can think of in this case is Hatred. But even then, it is so ridiculously over the top (both in terms of writing and the angle at which the game is played) that you're disconnected from it. Compare that to Parler, where you usually join because "hey, those people are conservatives, like me". Neonazis have gotten pretty damn good at slowly steering people to what they want. Hiding your power level and all. Suddenly, in a place where you feel safe, some people start telling you that, say, it's all because of antifas. You might not believe it at first. But through repeated exposure, in a place where you feel safe, slowly but surely it seeps in. There are studies on how much more easily the brain is affected when you feel in a safe place. Going to Parler for most people isn't to see what the white supremacists are about these days. Just hop on /Pol/ for that, or Stormfront for actual Nazis and you'll see it.
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throwaway3699 6y ago

> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Edit: Fascism literally means big corporations and governments imposing a moral structure on society. What Apple is doing is fascist. It's also stupidly anticompetitive by not booting Facebook and Twitter off for the same reasons.

mnouquet 6y ago
> Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Ever since SJW decided that if you weren't with them, you were against them, ie. you were a fascist.
- YarickR2 6y ago
  I'm not sure if /s is omitted intentionally, or it eas never meant to be there
  - nailer 6y ago
    Are you saying that people on the far left don't state that anyone that disagrees with them is a fascist?
    - input_sh 6y ago
      Yes.
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mmastrac 6y ago
> Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. Good for you? If you think getting the alt-right and Q-conspiracy people off easily-accessible platforms is facism, I'm glad you're leaving the industry.
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nackerhewz 6y ago

This is very bad for democracy. Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say, that person holds all the power and is hence a dictator. Having a dictator isn't very democratic.

mnouquet 6y ago
> Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? SJW.
claudiawerner 6y ago
>Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? Apple, if it's on their platform. In an alternate universe, the elected representatives of the populace. >If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say The U.S. and all countries already do this through the numerous exceptions to free speech rights.

zamalek 6y ago

> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. This was not free speech, as has been defined by the US Supreme Court for at least a century, because "fighting words" (speech that may lead to the harm or limitation of rights of others) are not considered free speech. Talking about racism and other bad ideas is protected, but suggesting sedition and bodily harm is not. This is good to know in the coming days when the fascists come out of the woodwork.

zaroth 6y ago

And herein lies the danger behind scurrilous invocation of terms like “insurrection” and “coup”. It’s an attempted justification for the “cleansing” that’s already well underway on Twitter today, and will continue unabated for as long as the majority is silent while the radicals cheer it on. While a small minority loudly yell ”good riddance” the rest of us wonder what happens next time we write something wrong.

bladefire 6y ago
They don't have not understand boundaries, they can't see beyond the tip of their nose, and as long as Amazon is still delivering, this will never end.

willyg123 6y ago

I don't think there's much doubt that social media platform algos increased the flaming the flames over a period of years. What we're talking about here is their role as a means of communication over days/weeks. If we are talking about their role as a means of communication, where is the rage at Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, etc.? The is where the argument of repealing Section 230 because of the insurrection breaks down.

zionic 6y ago

The only difference between insurrection and resistance is corporate sponsorship.