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If someone construct a bomb and brings it to a demonstration, it seems at first glance like premeditated and planned and not something in the spur of the moment

by belorn 6y ago

If someone construct a bomb and brings it to a demonstration, it seems at first glance like premeditated and planned and not something in the spur of the moment.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
Depends on what was meant by "a bomb" (hadn't seen the details of that story yet). I used to be into building model solid-fuel rocket engines. If you have certain two common household ingredients and a stove on hand, you can make a sizeable one in a couple of minutes. And the difference between a rocket engine and a crude pipe bomb is whether you stuff the resulting mixture into a plastic pipe vs. metal pipe, and whether you seal it off on one or both ends. So I can easily imagine some amateur pyrotechnician constructing a crude explosive in the heat of the moment (that doesn't excuse it in any way, though).
- notional 6y ago
  it's not "a bomb" it's a bomb fool https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1347292202083512324 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/13472922020835123...
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    As I wrote in my comment, I hadn't seen the details of that story yet. (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.)
    - MereInterest 6y ago
      > (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.) Does that matter in the slightest for whether or not to condemn the actions? If I plant a bomb in your house, that is an action designed to cause terror, and should be condemned. If I plant a fake bomb in your house, that is an action designed to cause terror, and should be condemned.
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        > Does that matter in the slightest for whether or not to condemn the actions? It doesn't. It's also not the topic.
- recursive 6y ago
  Most of the crowd was from out of town. Do you typically travel with household ingredients just in case?
  - tedunangst 6y ago
    Yeah, I always keep a little extra gasoline in mason jars with styrofoam when I go on road trips. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682.1.1_2.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682/...
- c22 6y ago
  Context, man. It's possible to be against both raiding some 17-year-old rocket enthusiast's kitchen and also against 'amateur pyrotechnicians' leaving crude explosives of any sort in a public building, no matter how accidentally they may have been constructed in the heat of the moment.

by belorn 6y ago

If someone construct a bomb and brings it to a demonstration, it seems at first glance like premeditated and planned and not something in the spur of the moment.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

Depends on what was meant by "a bomb" (hadn't seen the details of that story yet). I used to be into building model solid-fuel rocket engines. If you have certain two common household ingredients and a stove on hand, you can make a sizeable one in a couple of minutes. And the difference between a rocket engine and a crude pipe bomb is whether you stuff the resulting mixture into a plastic pipe vs. metal pipe, and whether you seal it off on one or both ends. So I can easily imagine some amateur pyrotechnician constructing a crude explosive in the heat of the moment (that doesn't excuse it in any way, though).

notional 6y ago
it's not "a bomb" it's a bomb fool https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1347292202083512324 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/13472922020835123...
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  As I wrote in my comment, I hadn't seen the details of that story yet. (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.)
  - MereInterest 6y ago
    > (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.) Does that matter in the slightest for whether or not to condemn the actions? If I plant a bomb in your house, that is an action designed to cause terror, and should be condemned. If I plant a fake bomb in your house, that is an action designed to cause terror, and should be condemned.
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      > Does that matter in the slightest for whether or not to condemn the actions? It doesn't. It's also not the topic.
recursive 6y ago
Most of the crowd was from out of town. Do you typically travel with household ingredients just in case?
- tedunangst 6y ago
  Yeah, I always keep a little extra gasoline in mason jars with styrofoam when I go on road trips. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682.1.1_2.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225682/...
c22 6y ago
Context, man. It's possible to be against both raiding some 17-year-old rocket enthusiast's kitchen and also against 'amateur pyrotechnicians' leaving crude explosives of any sort in a public building, no matter how accidentally they may have been constructed in the heat of the moment.