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I youtube-dl'd some of the summer riot streams. They are not on YouTube now. Just looked at them. Honestly, the riots this summer were a bunch of drunk teenager

I youtube-dl'd some of the summer riot streams. They are not on YouTube now. Just looked at them. Honestly, the riots this summer were a bunch of drunk teenagers who were letting off steam. Once the liquor store got raided the mood changed from anger to a big party. The MAGA capital riot actually looked to have a similar party vibe. They just casually all became felons in the process.

vharuck 6y ago
They erected a gallows. Not the kind of party I'd want to attend. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/noose-hung-outside-capitol/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/noose-hung-outside-capitol...
- michaelt 6y ago
  I agree it's shocking - but the fact it's a shocking and potent symbol is why people at protests have done it over and over again: Guillotine at protests in france https://twitter.com/MissPile/status/952867661901389825?s=20 https://twitter.com/MissPile/status/952867661901389825?s=20 A different guillotine in france https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6477953/Yellow-Vest-protesters-erect-GUILLOTINE-bearing-French-Presidents-political-party-amid-riots.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6477953/Yellow-Vest... Guillotine at protest against Trump https://twitter.com/jadelson/status/1084881540256010241 https://twitter.com/jadelson/status/1084881540256010241 BLM protesters guillotine a teddy bear https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/portland-protest-maga-hats-guillotine-trump-dnc-2020-wisconsin-police-riot-a9685811.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/portland-p... Guillotine at Jeff Bezos's house https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/jeff-bezos-guillotine-protest-amazon-workers https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/jeff-bezos-guilloti... Guillotine at protest in South Korea https://twitter.com/allyjung/status/797313740211253248 https://twitter.com/allyjung/status/797313740211253248 Guillotine at protest in Madrid https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photos-dignity-march-protesters-flags-guillotine-to-refer-to-cus-place-madrid-date-nd-event-political-protest-image39156003 https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photos-dignity-march-protes... Guillotine at protest in Guatemala https://twitter.com/hezbolsonaro/status/1330250357801365508 https://twitter.com/hezbolsonaro/status/1330250357801365508 There's plenty of things of substance to criticise these protesters for - the fact they hate democracy, the fact they believe things that are completely divorced from reality, the fact so many of them adorn themselves with symbols of racism. Merely having extremely bad taste is pretty trivial in comparison if you ask me.
  - nullstyle 6y ago
    A Gallows and a Guillotine are different symbols, and France doesn't have the same prolific and recent history of lynchings that the USA does (AFAIK). The equivalence you draw here is false.
    - malandrew 6y ago
      The only difference as far as I can tell is the chosen method of execution for a country. Gallows have been the standard for execution in the US like guillotines were the standard in France. Lynchings typically didn't employ gallows, they most often employed trees. The commonality between them was that both involved nooses.
zappo2938 6y ago
Clearly you haven't looked at it. The MAGA riot had people with guns, pipe bombs, and wrist ties. It was not a party. It was an attempted insurrection against a lawfully elected government while the military was ordered to stand down and stay away while it happened.
- DeafSquid 6y ago
  The riots last summer had guns too
  - horsemans 6y ago
    The riots last summer didn't involve insurrectionists violently invading the seat of power of the legislative branch with live ammunition intent on disrupting the peaceful transfer of power in a democratic republic.
    - imbnwa 6y ago
      The whataboutism is out of control in this discussion. Its like people forget these same elements showed up to lockdown protests armed and wearing protective vests and, most important of all, attempted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. So yeah, its a different thing altogether when these elements show up and invade the Capitol building
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        Attempted to kidnap and execute the Governor of Michigan.
        imbnwa 6y ago
        Can't believe I forgot the best part
      - jspash 6y ago
        Whataboutism is so easy to spot yet people step right into the trap all the time. But once you can spot it, it just takes a quick remark to shut it right down. ie. either don't respond at all or kindly ask the whatabouter to stick to the topic at hand.
neartheplain 6y ago
> Honestly, the riots this summer were a bunch of drunk teenagers who were letting off steam. I also have an archive of this summer’s events. Let’s not use this moment to downplay the violence of people who may share our political sympathies. 25+ people were killed in the riots this summer. Over $2B was done in property damage. Police stations, post offices, libraries, and courthouses were stormed and set on fire. In Portland, rioters with guns and knives threw bombs at a courthouse and tried to burn down the Mayor’s condo building. In Seattle, militants with assault rifles took over part of downtown for a month, killing and assaulting people. In DC, a mob tried to storm the White House. In Wauwatosa, a mob fired shots into the home of a police officer. People in many cities were dragged from their vehicles and beaten. Hundreds of protestors and police were seriously injured. Many similar incidents which I don’t have the time to dig up and link right now. There were also many incidents of police brutality, such as the clearing of peaceful protestors in Lafayette Square, which likewise should not be minimized.
- pjc50 6y ago
  In one case, it was proven to be a provocateur firing on police: https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/ https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-m... Mind you, most of those rioters had the sense to not live stream their crimes.
  - neartheplain 6y ago
    Yes, and one of the people who stormed the Capitol was a known BLM activist [0]. Doesn’t mean the overwhelming majority of people who stormed the Capitol weren’t Trump supporters. The pro-Trump people saying “antifa stormed the Capitol!” are less surprising to hear when you recall the those who this summer said, “protest violence is the work of far-right agitators!” Arrest records and livestream footage prove both groups wrong in the vast majority of cases. [0] https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist...
coffeefirst 6y ago
DC resident. They came here with bombs, knives, guns, pepper spray, zip ties, set up a gallows on the lawn that's usually covered with families and little kids. They attacked police officers—one died. DC is more than capable of handling rowdy protests, we have first amendment activity every day. Capitol Police chose not to be prepared and declined backup from the other police agencies for over an hour after they were overrun. This was not a joke.
- belorn 6y ago
  If someone construct a bomb and brings it to a demonstration, it seems at first glance like premeditated and planned and not something in the spur of the moment.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Depends on what was meant by "a bomb" (hadn't seen the details of that story yet). I used to be into building model solid-fuel rocket engines. If you have certain two common household ingredients and a stove on hand, you can make a sizeable one in a couple of minutes. And the difference between a rocket engine and a crude pipe bomb is whether you stuff the resulting mixture into a plastic pipe vs. metal pipe, and whether you seal it off on one or both ends. So I can easily imagine some amateur pyrotechnician constructing a crude explosive in the heat of the moment (that doesn't excuse it in any way, though).
    - notional 6y ago
      it's not "a bomb" it's a bomb fool https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1347292202083512324 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/13472922020835123...
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        As I wrote in my comment, I hadn't seen the details of that story yet. (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.)
another_sock 6y ago
Yes exactly, the riots and burned down buildings across the country over the past few years have just been youthful expressions!
_jal 6y ago
Yeah - all my parties include ziptie restraints, molotov cocktails and guns in restricted areas, too. I don't know if you're intentionally downplaying the violence or simply very, very misinformed, but killing a cop with a fire extinguisher is not "causally be[coming] a felon".

vharuck 6y ago

They erected a gallows. Not the kind of party I'd want to attend. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/noose-hung-outside-capitol/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/noose-hung-outside-capitol...

michaelt 6y ago
I agree it's shocking - but the fact it's a shocking and potent symbol is why people at protests have done it over and over again: Guillotine at protests in france https://twitter.com/MissPile/status/952867661901389825?s=20 https://twitter.com/MissPile/status/952867661901389825?s=20 A different guillotine in france https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6477953/Yellow-Vest-protesters-erect-GUILLOTINE-bearing-French-Presidents-political-party-amid-riots.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6477953/Yellow-Vest... Guillotine at protest against Trump https://twitter.com/jadelson/status/1084881540256010241 https://twitter.com/jadelson/status/1084881540256010241 BLM protesters guillotine a teddy bear https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/portland-protest-maga-hats-guillotine-trump-dnc-2020-wisconsin-police-riot-a9685811.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/portland-p... Guillotine at Jeff Bezos's house https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/jeff-bezos-guillotine-protest-amazon-workers https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/jeff-bezos-guilloti... Guillotine at protest in South Korea https://twitter.com/allyjung/status/797313740211253248 https://twitter.com/allyjung/status/797313740211253248 Guillotine at protest in Madrid https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photos-dignity-march-protesters-flags-guillotine-to-refer-to-cus-place-madrid-date-nd-event-political-protest-image39156003 https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photos-dignity-march-protes... Guillotine at protest in Guatemala https://twitter.com/hezbolsonaro/status/1330250357801365508 https://twitter.com/hezbolsonaro/status/1330250357801365508 There's plenty of things of substance to criticise these protesters for - the fact they hate democracy, the fact they believe things that are completely divorced from reality, the fact so many of them adorn themselves with symbols of racism. Merely having extremely bad taste is pretty trivial in comparison if you ask me.
- nullstyle 6y ago
  A Gallows and a Guillotine are different symbols, and France doesn't have the same prolific and recent history of lynchings that the USA does (AFAIK). The equivalence you draw here is false.
  - malandrew 6y ago
    The only difference as far as I can tell is the chosen method of execution for a country. Gallows have been the standard for execution in the US like guillotines were the standard in France. Lynchings typically didn't employ gallows, they most often employed trees. The commonality between them was that both involved nooses.

zappo2938 6y ago

Clearly you haven't looked at it. The MAGA riot had people with guns, pipe bombs, and wrist ties. It was not a party. It was an attempted insurrection against a lawfully elected government while the military was ordered to stand down and stay away while it happened.

DeafSquid 6y ago
The riots last summer had guns too
- horsemans 6y ago
  The riots last summer didn't involve insurrectionists violently invading the seat of power of the legislative branch with live ammunition intent on disrupting the peaceful transfer of power in a democratic republic.
  - imbnwa 6y ago
    The whataboutism is out of control in this discussion. Its like people forget these same elements showed up to lockdown protests armed and wearing protective vests and, most important of all, attempted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. So yeah, its a different thing altogether when these elements show up and invade the Capitol building
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Attempted to kidnap and execute the Governor of Michigan.
      - imbnwa 6y ago
        Can't believe I forgot the best part
    - jspash 6y ago
      Whataboutism is so easy to spot yet people step right into the trap all the time. But once you can spot it, it just takes a quick remark to shut it right down. ie. either don't respond at all or kindly ask the whatabouter to stick to the topic at hand.

neartheplain 6y ago

> Honestly, the riots this summer were a bunch of drunk teenagers who were letting off steam. I also have an archive of this summer’s events. Let’s not use this moment to downplay the violence of people who may share our political sympathies. 25+ people were killed in the riots this summer. Over $2B was done in property damage. Police stations, post offices, libraries, and courthouses were stormed and set on fire. In Portland, rioters with guns and knives threw bombs at a courthouse and tried to burn down the Mayor’s condo building. In Seattle, militants with assault rifles took over part of downtown for a month, killing and assaulting people. In DC, a mob tried to storm the White House. In Wauwatosa, a mob fired shots into the home of a police officer. People in many cities were dragged from their vehicles and beaten. Hundreds of protestors and police were seriously injured. Many similar incidents which I don’t have the time to dig up and link right now. There were also many incidents of police brutality, such as the clearing of peaceful protestors in Lafayette Square, which likewise should not be minimized.

pjc50 6y ago
In one case, it was proven to be a provocateur firing on police: https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/ https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-m... Mind you, most of those rioters had the sense to not live stream their crimes.
- neartheplain 6y ago
  Yes, and one of the people who stormed the Capitol was a known BLM activist [0]. Doesn’t mean the overwhelming majority of people who stormed the Capitol weren’t Trump supporters. The pro-Trump people saying “antifa stormed the Capitol!” are less surprising to hear when you recall the those who this summer said, “protest violence is the work of far-right agitators!” Arrest records and livestream footage prove both groups wrong in the vast majority of cases. [0] https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist...

coffeefirst 6y ago

DC resident. They came here with bombs, knives, guns, pepper spray, zip ties, set up a gallows on the lawn that's usually covered with families and little kids. They attacked police officers—one died. DC is more than capable of handling rowdy protests, we have first amendment activity every day. Capitol Police chose not to be prepared and declined backup from the other police agencies for over an hour after they were overrun. This was not a joke.

belorn 6y ago
If someone construct a bomb and brings it to a demonstration, it seems at first glance like premeditated and planned and not something in the spur of the moment.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Depends on what was meant by "a bomb" (hadn't seen the details of that story yet). I used to be into building model solid-fuel rocket engines. If you have certain two common household ingredients and a stove on hand, you can make a sizeable one in a couple of minutes. And the difference between a rocket engine and a crude pipe bomb is whether you stuff the resulting mixture into a plastic pipe vs. metal pipe, and whether you seal it off on one or both ends. So I can easily imagine some amateur pyrotechnician constructing a crude explosive in the heat of the moment (that doesn't excuse it in any way, though).
  - notional 6y ago
    it's not "a bomb" it's a bomb fool https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1347292202083512324 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/13472922020835123...
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      As I wrote in my comment, I hadn't seen the details of that story yet. (Also, before calling me a fool, consider that your own link says that it's not confirmed whether these devices were real bombs, or fake ones.)

another_sock 6y ago

Yes exactly, the riots and burned down buildings across the country over the past few years have just been youthful expressions!

_jal 6y ago

Yeah - all my parties include ziptie restraints, molotov cocktails and guns in restricted areas, too. I don't know if you're intentionally downplaying the violence or simply very, very misinformed, but killing a cop with a fire extinguisher is not "causally be[coming] a felon".