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I've generally liked the policies Pai has pushed through in his tenure, and I'm really relieved to see him pulling the rug out from under this.

trianglem 6y ago
So you like the repeal of net neutrality?
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  Some people believe that having a choice between 128Mbit/sec DSL and a cable company that does everything it can to bundle services and make you pay for stuff you don't want is enough competition to ensure companies don't misbehave.
  - dstick 6y ago
    I’m paying €32 / mnth for 1000/1000 fibre in an urban, but not mega city urban, area of the Netherlands. Internet access should be a commodity like electricity and gas by now. It’s become that important.
- pochamago 6y ago
  Yes, I was not a fan of Title 2 or how it was used, and I think things have been fine to better since it was repealed
  - trianglem 6y ago
    So you had a right taken away and replaced with the “benevolence” of corporations and you’re happy with this? You gained nothing, you only lost things.
    - fat_pikachu 6y ago
      Speaking as someone who use to work for R&D within the industry (in the resource allocation space), the OIO (the name for the FCC's implementation of net neutrality) injected a significant amount of regulatory uncertainty into our work resulting in dried up funding from certain sources. The rules themselves were expansive and went well beyond the existing status quo in a number of different ways. As an example, the OIO had lots of carve-outs for what they termed "specialized services" in the text; however, what would be considered a specialized service in the future was ambiguous as the definition wasn't governed by any principled approach. Some of my colleagues more familiar with regulatory policy said it would be a minimum of 10 years before we even began to get a clearer picture of how the rules would work in practice. To give a concrete example, we're essentially in year 6 of Net Neutrality in the EU and we still have no clear guidance on how certain important aspects of 5G (such as network slicing) will interact with it. (source: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9017846 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9017846)
toiletfuneral 6y ago
which ones? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/fcc-blasted-for-shameful-ruling-against-cities-and-fire-department/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/fcc-blasted-for-... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/ajit-pai-uses-bad-data-to-claim-isps-are-deploying-broadband-to-everyone/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/ajit-pai-uses-ba... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/fcc-fines-sinclair-48m-refuses-to-revoke-its-broadcast-licenses/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/fcc-fines-sincla... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/ajit-pai-promised-faster-broadband-expansion-comcast-cut-spending-instead/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/ajit-...

trianglem 6y ago

So you like the repeal of net neutrality?

tenebrisalietum 6y ago
Some people believe that having a choice between 128Mbit/sec DSL and a cable company that does everything it can to bundle services and make you pay for stuff you don't want is enough competition to ensure companies don't misbehave.
- dstick 6y ago
  I’m paying €32 / mnth for 1000/1000 fibre in an urban, but not mega city urban, area of the Netherlands. Internet access should be a commodity like electricity and gas by now. It’s become that important.
pochamago 6y ago
Yes, I was not a fan of Title 2 or how it was used, and I think things have been fine to better since it was repealed
- trianglem 6y ago
  So you had a right taken away and replaced with the “benevolence” of corporations and you’re happy with this? You gained nothing, you only lost things.
  - fat_pikachu 6y ago
    Speaking as someone who use to work for R&D within the industry (in the resource allocation space), the OIO (the name for the FCC's implementation of net neutrality) injected a significant amount of regulatory uncertainty into our work resulting in dried up funding from certain sources. The rules themselves were expansive and went well beyond the existing status quo in a number of different ways. As an example, the OIO had lots of carve-outs for what they termed "specialized services" in the text; however, what would be considered a specialized service in the future was ambiguous as the definition wasn't governed by any principled approach. Some of my colleagues more familiar with regulatory policy said it would be a minimum of 10 years before we even began to get a clearer picture of how the rules would work in practice. To give a concrete example, we're essentially in year 6 of Net Neutrality in the EU and we still have no clear guidance on how certain important aspects of 5G (such as network slicing) will interact with it. (source: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9017846 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9017846)

toiletfuneral 6y ago

which ones? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/fcc-blasted-for-shameful-ruling-against-cities-and-fire-department/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/fcc-blasted-for-... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/ajit-pai-uses-bad-data-to-claim-isps-are-deploying-broadband-to-everyone/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/ajit-pai-uses-ba... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/fcc-fines-sinclair-48m-refuses-to-revoke-its-broadcast-licenses/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/fcc-fines-sincla... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/ajit-pai-promised-faster-broadband-expansion-comcast-cut-spending-instead/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/ajit-...