6 ms·

>In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, That's what they are though. One side o

>In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, That's what they are though. One side of my family are full-on conservative Trump supporters and I know for a fact that's exactly who they are.

kuzimoto 6y ago
Conservatives make up roughly 50% of the United States. Are you saying all conservatives are ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’?
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  It is certainly looking that way to me. At least ~80% of them. They're all going along with this bullshit apart from a few more principled ones who are in it for the money/ self enrichment only.
  - _zg4q 6y ago
    I think it's unfortunate that you feel this way, especially if it's without any evidence. I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. I think this mentality will only further the division between sides.
    - uoaei 6y ago
      I highly recommend you do some studying of how Weimar Germany led to the rise of Hitler. It is no exaggeration to say that Trump is playing from a handbook which is poorly scribbled and obviously plagiarized from Hitler's.
      - kuzimoto 6y ago
        I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him.
        krapp 6y ago
        > I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him. "I don't care for Hitler's rhetoric, I just voted for the Nazis because I think he has some good ideas about infrastructure and I like his jobs plan" doesn't exactly come across as sympathetic. Especially not after it becomes obvious where the trains are going. If you're a conservative or a Republican who supports Trump for his politics alone, or because he was the R and you hate the D, the moral thing to do as of January 6 is to disavow Trump entirely, and look for another candidate who supports his views, or perhaps consider supporting a third party. Not to dig in and continue making excuses for him and his supporters.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        Can you be upset and disavow what someone says but still support them? The instant someone says something "bad" they should be just thrown out? I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says, but I don't hold him accountable for others' actions unless he specifically called for violence which I don't think he did in this case. He does say some questionable things, but has always disavowed violence on both sides. Obama has promulgated lots of anti-police rhetoric, and there are some who would blame him for certain attacks on police. I disagree with things he said, but would not blame him for any of that.
        krapp 6y ago
        If you truly can't see any relationship between Trump's rhetoric and the behavior of his extremist base - particularly with the conspiracy theory of the 2020 election being stolen from him - a conspiracy theory he continued to spread at every available moment and which provided the impetus behind numerous incidents of violence leading up to the events at the Capitol just days earlier - then we may be at an impasse. As far as I can tell, Obama is considered "anti-police" simply because he supports BLM, but BLM have legitimate concerns about police violence and systemic racism in law enforcement, and voicing those concerns doesn't make one anti-police. I have yet to find an "anti-police" statement made by Obama which condemns all police and calls them all evil, that is at all equivalent to the vitriol or paranoia in Trump's rhetoric. It seems like a false equivalence drawn between the two.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      > I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. That’s because they aren’t. Most liberals are pro globalisation which is the de facto pro business policy.
      - kuzimoto 6y ago
        Do you have proof that concervatives are?

kuzimoto 6y ago

Conservatives make up roughly 50% of the United States. Are you saying all conservatives are ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’?

rorykoehler 6y ago
It is certainly looking that way to me. At least ~80% of them. They're all going along with this bullshit apart from a few more principled ones who are in it for the money/ self enrichment only.
- _zg4q 6y ago
  I think it's unfortunate that you feel this way, especially if it's without any evidence. I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. I think this mentality will only further the division between sides.
  - uoaei 6y ago
    I highly recommend you do some studying of how Weimar Germany led to the rise of Hitler. It is no exaggeration to say that Trump is playing from a handbook which is poorly scribbled and obviously plagiarized from Hitler's.
    - kuzimoto 6y ago
      I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him.
      - krapp 6y ago
        > I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him. "I don't care for Hitler's rhetoric, I just voted for the Nazis because I think he has some good ideas about infrastructure and I like his jobs plan" doesn't exactly come across as sympathetic. Especially not after it becomes obvious where the trains are going. If you're a conservative or a Republican who supports Trump for his politics alone, or because he was the R and you hate the D, the moral thing to do as of January 6 is to disavow Trump entirely, and look for another candidate who supports his views, or perhaps consider supporting a third party. Not to dig in and continue making excuses for him and his supporters.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        Can you be upset and disavow what someone says but still support them? The instant someone says something "bad" they should be just thrown out? I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says, but I don't hold him accountable for others' actions unless he specifically called for violence which I don't think he did in this case. He does say some questionable things, but has always disavowed violence on both sides. Obama has promulgated lots of anti-police rhetoric, and there are some who would blame him for certain attacks on police. I disagree with things he said, but would not blame him for any of that.
        krapp 6y ago
        If you truly can't see any relationship between Trump's rhetoric and the behavior of his extremist base - particularly with the conspiracy theory of the 2020 election being stolen from him - a conspiracy theory he continued to spread at every available moment and which provided the impetus behind numerous incidents of violence leading up to the events at the Capitol just days earlier - then we may be at an impasse. As far as I can tell, Obama is considered "anti-police" simply because he supports BLM, but BLM have legitimate concerns about police violence and systemic racism in law enforcement, and voicing those concerns doesn't make one anti-police. I have yet to find an "anti-police" statement made by Obama which condemns all police and calls them all evil, that is at all equivalent to the vitriol or paranoia in Trump's rhetoric. It seems like a false equivalence drawn between the two.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    > I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. That’s because they aren’t. Most liberals are pro globalisation which is the de facto pro business policy.
    - kuzimoto 6y ago
      Do you have proof that concervatives are?