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Why do you think any of your rogue nation club have any interest hacking US politicians, except for, probably, blackmail? US is an open society, and most US po

Why do you think any of your rogue nation club have any interest hacking US politicians, except for, probably, blackmail? US is an open society, and most US politicians speak what they think, or at least you can guess, or even ask them yourself! Those people are like open books. Unlike of your usual cabal totalitarians, who either don't speak at all, or purposefully try to hide their real aims by engaging in double speak, triple, quadruple speak.

snoshy 6y ago
Seems safe to assume that the Speaker of the House and her aides would have access to classified national intelligence that might not be open to the world, and would be valuable in it's own right. Things like progress and updates with Covid vaccines, their deployment plans, and lack of security around them would make information like it ripe for the black market and adversary governments in these times.
- baybal2 6y ago
  What would enemy spies get out of that. Even prima fascie top military secrets like battle plans (those must be updated and shuffled regularly to prevent a situation exactly like that) have very little immediate usefulness. It's 21st century, it's beyond anybody's ability to hide things like size, dislocation, and basic capabilities of your force
  - suifbwish 6y ago
    Oh you think the generals readily involve old Pelosi with the battle plans? I sort of doubt they would trust her with anything digital that’s supposed to be a secret.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      I think the same, and I very much doubt US general staff being inept to a point of holding war plans on a computer. Intel reports? Again, most real deal intel sources would be either kept real deal secret, or really not being such.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Pelosi just had a confidential conversation with the general in charge of US nuclear codes.
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  - CompuHacker 6y ago
    Just wondering, small thing; did you mean to type "disposition" instead of "dislocation"?
    - baybal2 6y ago
      No, I mean dislocation, as in military dislocation. https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/SR-1998-CPMW-Tactical-Dislocation-Force-XXI-Doctrine-or-Just-Another-Pretty-Theory.pdf https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/SR-1998-CPMW-Tactic...
- gizmo686 6y ago
  Access to classified intelligence means that they are allowed to enter a secure room/facility and view the material. They still should not be taking said material out into an unclassified environment.
  - rurp 6y ago
    There are different levels of classification that carry different restrictions. Also, govt infosec being what it is, there are likely plenty of lapses.
    - gizmo686 6y ago
      Even the lowest level of classification (confidential) means that the data should not be stored on an unclassified system, and has additional physical storage requirements that Pelosi's main office doesn't meet. At worst, the laptop had FOUO/CUI (for official use only/controlled unclassified information) data. Not great for that to get leaked; but not that scary from a national security perspective (we're pretty aggressive about classifying stuff). If anything damaging comes out of this, I would expect it to be of a political nature; where something that Pelosi and friends would prefer to keep secret gets leaked, but doesn't have much influence on national security.
  - adamc 6y ago
    Sure. Unless their security policies are completely broken, any laptops they are using should also have disk-level encryption.
- adolph 6y ago
  Black market? Legislators use that info on the stock market. Somebody is going to go Robinhood on defense, construction and pharma stocks with that laptop.
IncRnd 6y ago
I can't imagine you really believe that. The US may have an open society, but the US doesn't have an open government. Look at just the tiniest amount of publicly known items from Snowden and Wikileaks. Those alone indicate a greater iceberg of secrets.
- baybal2 6y ago
  Very good argument, but I cannot believe that anything of Wikileaks leaks would be really new, or of much value to Russians, or Chinese. US diplomatic talks with sketchy regimes? I bet China, and Russia would've not needed any spies there really. US sales of weapons? US sells them everywhere, and they don't need spies to know the bottom price, when most of weapon buyers would just tell them that themselves. You don't have too much alternatives in a duopoly market. US spies on Russian, or Chinese soil? You don't need to tell regimes like that of them being penetrated. Xi, and Pu realize perfectly well that they are surrounded by thousands of sketchy, and unreliable officers.

snoshy 6y ago

Seems safe to assume that the Speaker of the House and her aides would have access to classified national intelligence that might not be open to the world, and would be valuable in it's own right. Things like progress and updates with Covid vaccines, their deployment plans, and lack of security around them would make information like it ripe for the black market and adversary governments in these times.

baybal2 6y ago
What would enemy spies get out of that. Even prima fascie top military secrets like battle plans (those must be updated and shuffled regularly to prevent a situation exactly like that) have very little immediate usefulness. It's 21st century, it's beyond anybody's ability to hide things like size, dislocation, and basic capabilities of your force
- suifbwish 6y ago
  Oh you think the generals readily involve old Pelosi with the battle plans? I sort of doubt they would trust her with anything digital that’s supposed to be a secret.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    I think the same, and I very much doubt US general staff being inept to a point of holding war plans on a computer. Intel reports? Again, most real deal intel sources would be either kept real deal secret, or really not being such.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Pelosi just had a confidential conversation with the general in charge of US nuclear codes.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- CompuHacker 6y ago
  Just wondering, small thing; did you mean to type "disposition" instead of "dislocation"?
  - baybal2 6y ago
    No, I mean dislocation, as in military dislocation. https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/SR-1998-CPMW-Tactical-Dislocation-Force-XXI-Doctrine-or-Just-Another-Pretty-Theory.pdf https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/SR-1998-CPMW-Tactic...
gizmo686 6y ago
Access to classified intelligence means that they are allowed to enter a secure room/facility and view the material. They still should not be taking said material out into an unclassified environment.
- rurp 6y ago
  There are different levels of classification that carry different restrictions. Also, govt infosec being what it is, there are likely plenty of lapses.
  - gizmo686 6y ago
    Even the lowest level of classification (confidential) means that the data should not be stored on an unclassified system, and has additional physical storage requirements that Pelosi's main office doesn't meet. At worst, the laptop had FOUO/CUI (for official use only/controlled unclassified information) data. Not great for that to get leaked; but not that scary from a national security perspective (we're pretty aggressive about classifying stuff). If anything damaging comes out of this, I would expect it to be of a political nature; where something that Pelosi and friends would prefer to keep secret gets leaked, but doesn't have much influence on national security.
- adamc 6y ago
  Sure. Unless their security policies are completely broken, any laptops they are using should also have disk-level encryption.
adolph 6y ago
Black market? Legislators use that info on the stock market. Somebody is going to go Robinhood on defense, construction and pharma stocks with that laptop.

IncRnd 6y ago

I can't imagine you really believe that. The US may have an open society, but the US doesn't have an open government. Look at just the tiniest amount of publicly known items from Snowden and Wikileaks. Those alone indicate a greater iceberg of secrets.

baybal2 6y ago
Very good argument, but I cannot believe that anything of Wikileaks leaks would be really new, or of much value to Russians, or Chinese. US diplomatic talks with sketchy regimes? I bet China, and Russia would've not needed any spies there really. US sales of weapons? US sells them everywhere, and they don't need spies to know the bottom price, when most of weapon buyers would just tell them that themselves. You don't have too much alternatives in a duopoly market. US spies on Russian, or Chinese soil? You don't need to tell regimes like that of them being penetrated. Xi, and Pu realize perfectly well that they are surrounded by thousands of sketchy, and unreliable officers.