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How was every person leaving the building not searched by police as a condition of exit? The kettling and taking of details of (even peaceful) protesters in th

by ljf 6y ago

How was every person leaving the building not searched by police as a condition of exit? The kettling and taking of details of (even peaceful) protesters in the UK is pretty standard now (I don't like it, but it is what seems to happen) - so why did they just let these people leave unchecked?

tt433 6y ago
Didn't fit the perp profile police expect (race)
- calmbeluga54 6y ago
  Are you suggesting that the profile for hackers isn't "white male"? Or are you just trying to ham-fist "cops are racist" into the convo?
  - wonnage 6y ago
    you missed the part where the cops let them in and took selfies
hwillis 6y ago
Presumably the same reason police moved barricades, waved them in, and took selfies with them.
- californical 6y ago
  I’m sorry but if you’re a couple of police officers in a room full of literal terrorists, of course you’re going to try to be as restrained and friendly as possible. You’re horribly outnumbered. They would be murdered if they tried to take on the crowd. They needed to wait for reinforcements to arrive, and meanwhile do their best to keep the crowd from going fully insane. They managed the situation with very few people getting hurt, and protected the politicians. Which is pretty good considering how few police there were. The main issue is why were there so few police there to begin with, so this could’ve been prevented in the first place.
  - rco8786 6y ago
    The uh, selfie thing though..
  - ezequiel-garzon 6y ago
    Absolutely. Moreover, why are the Capitol Police Chiefs singled out? Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? Were they supposed to go to the leaders of Congress the days before the certification to make it happen? I was always of the idea that federal authorities would be tasked with such planning, enrolling (among others) the Capitol Police.
    - caminocorner 6y ago
      > Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? They declined the help, and that of the FBI https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380 https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-hel...
      - always_left 6y ago
        With all the context the police got and repeatedly turning down help, at this point I think the extra support should be mandatory. He ordered guards for other protests but not this? We can’t let the system protecting our government rely on one person’s decision like that. It’s so abhorrent it makes me paranoid thinking he was a part of it
      - ezequiel-garzon 6y ago
        Oh, that's... puzzling, then. Thanks for the source.
    - raman325 6y ago
      Reportedly the Capitol Police turned down offers for help both before and during the event. Best source I could find: https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/ https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-natio... EDIT: The other comment has a better source
ViViDboarder 6y ago
It was also pretty standard for the Black Lives Matter protests in DC earlier this year.
BitwiseFool 6y ago
Realistically, it was a chaotic situation. I can only imagine it would be easy to slip into the crowd during the pandemonium.
snoshy 6y ago
Clearly the police were outnumbered to a degree that they couldn't prevent them from getting inside in the first place, so why would they have sufficient forces to search these individuals on exit?
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  Because hundreds of additional police officers and members of the national guard arrived in order to secure the building?
- dylan604 6y ago
  They were clearly outnumbered, so we're supposed to believe they were not "afraid for their safety" from an angry mob, but yet they can use that defense when a single indvidual that happens to be not-white confronts them? Please
- deleted 6y ago
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kube-system 6y ago
> How was every person leaving the building not searched by police as a condition of exit? The same reason they weren't searched on the way in. It was a security failure.
- everybodyknows 6y ago
  They'd have needed two perimeters: inner, keeping the mob out of buildings, plus outer, to enforce search. Way beyond their organizational readiness at the time.

by ljf 6y ago

tt433 6y ago

Didn't fit the perp profile police expect (race)

calmbeluga54 6y ago
Are you suggesting that the profile for hackers isn't "white male"? Or are you just trying to ham-fist "cops are racist" into the convo?
- wonnage 6y ago
  you missed the part where the cops let them in and took selfies

hwillis 6y ago

Presumably the same reason police moved barricades, waved them in, and took selfies with them.

californical 6y ago
I’m sorry but if you’re a couple of police officers in a room full of literal terrorists, of course you’re going to try to be as restrained and friendly as possible. You’re horribly outnumbered. They would be murdered if they tried to take on the crowd. They needed to wait for reinforcements to arrive, and meanwhile do their best to keep the crowd from going fully insane. They managed the situation with very few people getting hurt, and protected the politicians. Which is pretty good considering how few police there were. The main issue is why were there so few police there to begin with, so this could’ve been prevented in the first place.
- rco8786 6y ago
  The uh, selfie thing though..
- ezequiel-garzon 6y ago
  Absolutely. Moreover, why are the Capitol Police Chiefs singled out? Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? Were they supposed to go to the leaders of Congress the days before the certification to make it happen? I was always of the idea that federal authorities would be tasked with such planning, enrolling (among others) the Capitol Police.
  - caminocorner 6y ago
    > Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? They declined the help, and that of the FBI https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380 https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-hel...
    - always_left 6y ago
      With all the context the police got and repeatedly turning down help, at this point I think the extra support should be mandatory. He ordered guards for other protests but not this? We can’t let the system protecting our government rely on one person’s decision like that. It’s so abhorrent it makes me paranoid thinking he was a part of it
    - ezequiel-garzon 6y ago
      Oh, that's... puzzling, then. Thanks for the source.
  - raman325 6y ago
    Reportedly the Capitol Police turned down offers for help both before and during the event. Best source I could find: https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/ https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-natio... EDIT: The other comment has a better source

ViViDboarder 6y ago

It was also pretty standard for the Black Lives Matter protests in DC earlier this year.

BitwiseFool 6y ago

Realistically, it was a chaotic situation. I can only imagine it would be easy to slip into the crowd during the pandemonium.

snoshy 6y ago

Clearly the police were outnumbered to a degree that they couldn't prevent them from getting inside in the first place, so why would they have sufficient forces to search these individuals on exit?

hilbertseries 6y ago
Because hundreds of additional police officers and members of the national guard arrived in order to secure the building?
dylan604 6y ago
They were clearly outnumbered, so we're supposed to believe they were not "afraid for their safety" from an angry mob, but yet they can use that defense when a single indvidual that happens to be not-white confronts them? Please
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kube-system 6y ago

> How was every person leaving the building not searched by police as a condition of exit? The same reason they weren't searched on the way in. It was a security failure.

everybodyknows 6y ago
They'd have needed two perimeters: inner, keeping the mob out of buildings, plus outer, to enforce search. Way beyond their organizational readiness at the time.