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Perhaps we should leave up ISIS recruitment videos, so users in liberal echo chambers can hear that differing opinion as well. /s This is not a new or exciting

Perhaps we should leave up ISIS recruitment videos, so users in liberal echo chambers can hear that differing opinion as well. /s This is not a new or exciting phenomenon. Censorship and “cancel culture” have rich histories on all sides of the American political spectrum.

bra-ket 6y ago
> ISIS That’s exactly the strategy communist party pursued to label their opponents all shades of evil to silence opposition. In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, 24/7 on mainstream media, just like George Orwell described in his famous dystopia. The last time it happened in America was with McCarthyism witch hunts, methinks, so you’re right , it’s a long tradition.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  >In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, That's what they are though. One side of my family are full-on conservative Trump supporters and I know for a fact that's exactly who they are.
  - kuzimoto 6y ago
    Conservatives make up roughly 50% of the United States. Are you saying all conservatives are ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’?
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      It is certainly looking that way to me. At least ~80% of them. They're all going along with this bullshit apart from a few more principled ones who are in it for the money/ self enrichment only.
      - _zg4q 6y ago
        I think it's unfortunate that you feel this way, especially if it's without any evidence. I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. I think this mentality will only further the division between sides.
        uoaei 6y ago
        I highly recommend you do some studying of how Weimar Germany led to the rise of Hitler. It is no exaggeration to say that Trump is playing from a handbook which is poorly scribbled and obviously plagiarized from Hitler's.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him.
        krapp 6y ago
        > I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him. "I don't care for Hitler's rhetoric, I just voted for the Nazis because I think he has some good ideas about infrastructure and I like his jobs plan" doesn't exactly come across as sympathetic. Especially not after it becomes obvious where the trains are going. If you're a conservative or a Republican who supports Trump for his politics alone, or because he was the R and you hate the D, the moral thing to do as of January 6 is to disavow Trump entirely, and look for another candidate who supports his views, or perhaps consider supporting a third party. Not to dig in and continue making excuses for him and his supporters.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        Can you be upset and disavow what someone says but still support them? The instant someone says something "bad" they should be just thrown out? I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says, but I don't hold him accountable for others' actions unless he specifically called for violence which I don't think he did in this case. He does say some questionable things, but has always disavowed violence on both sides. Obama has promulgated lots of anti-police rhetoric, and there are some who would blame him for certain attacks on police. I disagree with things he said, but would not blame him for any of that.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  There's a reason you're reacting to my comparison of these people to ISIS, rather than suggesting that ISIS recruitment videos be permitted. ISIS represents something "beyond the pale", so obviously bad that it's okay if we censor it because it's dangerous and seditious. You object to the comparison because it's an attack. We all know ISIS is bad, so the only reason to comparing these people to them is to make it seem like they're bad too, even though they're trying to say a lot of reasonable things if someone would just listen with an open mind! Obviously, not everyone on r/DonaldTrump is down to invade the capitol. I'm sure there are plenty of people who support ISIS that don't support their violence either. No group is homogenously made up of cartoon villains. But that doesn't mean we need to be fine with the recruiting grounds for their most violent sects. To be clear, your rhetorical position is the exact same as mine. You're perfectly fine with the exact same censorship you're ostensibly criticizing. You just want the line to be drawn somewhere else.
- flukus 6y ago
  You skipped over it, just to be clear, do you think ISIS recruitment videos should be allowed to stay up?

bra-ket 6y ago

> ISIS That’s exactly the strategy communist party pursued to label their opponents all shades of evil to silence opposition. In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, 24/7 on mainstream media, just like George Orwell described in his famous dystopia. The last time it happened in America was with McCarthyism witch hunts, methinks, so you’re right , it’s a long tradition.

rorykoehler 6y ago
>In this case conservatives are bundled into a group of ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’, literally and without sarcasm, That's what they are though. One side of my family are full-on conservative Trump supporters and I know for a fact that's exactly who they are.
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  Conservatives make up roughly 50% of the United States. Are you saying all conservatives are ‘fascists’, ‘racists’, ‘nazis’?
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    It is certainly looking that way to me. At least ~80% of them. They're all going along with this bullshit apart from a few more principled ones who are in it for the money/ self enrichment only.
    - _zg4q 6y ago
      I think it's unfortunate that you feel this way, especially if it's without any evidence. I wouldn't say that 80% of liberals are communists and socialists. I think this mentality will only further the division between sides.
      - uoaei 6y ago
        I highly recommend you do some studying of how Weimar Germany led to the rise of Hitler. It is no exaggeration to say that Trump is playing from a handbook which is poorly scribbled and obviously plagiarized from Hitler's.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him.
        krapp 6y ago
        > I don't believe most conservatives agree with his rhetoric, they just like his policies for the most part. They probably don't even like him much, they just dislike the direction the democratic side is going enough to vote for him. "I don't care for Hitler's rhetoric, I just voted for the Nazis because I think he has some good ideas about infrastructure and I like his jobs plan" doesn't exactly come across as sympathetic. Especially not after it becomes obvious where the trains are going. If you're a conservative or a Republican who supports Trump for his politics alone, or because he was the R and you hate the D, the moral thing to do as of January 6 is to disavow Trump entirely, and look for another candidate who supports his views, or perhaps consider supporting a third party. Not to dig in and continue making excuses for him and his supporters.
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        Can you be upset and disavow what someone says but still support them? The instant someone says something "bad" they should be just thrown out? I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says, but I don't hold him accountable for others' actions unless he specifically called for violence which I don't think he did in this case. He does say some questionable things, but has always disavowed violence on both sides. Obama has promulgated lots of anti-police rhetoric, and there are some who would blame him for certain attacks on police. I disagree with things he said, but would not blame him for any of that.
jakelazaroff 6y ago
There's a reason you're reacting to my comparison of these people to ISIS, rather than suggesting that ISIS recruitment videos be permitted. ISIS represents something "beyond the pale", so obviously bad that it's okay if we censor it because it's dangerous and seditious. You object to the comparison because it's an attack. We all know ISIS is bad, so the only reason to comparing these people to them is to make it seem like they're bad too, even though they're trying to say a lot of reasonable things if someone would just listen with an open mind! Obviously, not everyone on r/DonaldTrump is down to invade the capitol. I'm sure there are plenty of people who support ISIS that don't support their violence either. No group is homogenously made up of cartoon villains. But that doesn't mean we need to be fine with the recruiting grounds for their most violent sects. To be clear, your rhetorical position is the exact same as mine. You're perfectly fine with the exact same censorship you're ostensibly criticizing. You just want the line to be drawn somewhere else.
flukus 6y ago
You skipped over it, just to be clear, do you think ISIS recruitment videos should be allowed to stay up?