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Are you aware an unarmed white woman was shot and killed by police at the capitol that day? Yes, on average black folks are treated more unfairly than white fo

by rlt 6y ago

Are you aware an unarmed white woman was shot and killed by police at the capitol that day? Yes, on average black folks are treated more unfairly than white folks by police, but exaggerated claims like “the cops would have iced every one of them” help no one.

rtkwe 6y ago
She was climbing through a barricaded door through a broken window with a person with a drawn gun on the other side protecting who knows who, armed or not the outcome was kind of a given when she decided that was a good idea. Not the best comparison to put up against the treatment of BLM protestors throughout the year.
- LargeWu 6y ago
  There was at least one person near her in the video of that women getting shot who was clearly armed with an assault rifle. She may have been unarmed but was storming the chamber with other armed people. The security on the other side had good reason to believe she was a dangerous threat.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    The guy with a carbine in the video is a police tactical officer. The main question about this scene is not why the secret service officer shot the woman who defied a lawful order by entering the chambers through a broken window and over the top of a barricade. The question is why she hadn't been shot long before.
    - LargeWu 6y ago
      Yeah, you're right, the original video I saw was tightly shot and only showed the weapon. There was a similar video released later where those officers where coming up a staircase from behind.
  - kyleblarson 6y ago
    There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle'. It is a made up term.
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      If you're going to operate at the intersection of gun nuttery and prescriptive English usage, it would help you to be right. The US Army "Small Arms Identification Guide" defined the term at least 50 years ago. https://web.archive.org/web/20190904213732/http://031d26d.namesecurehost.com/gunfax/fstcp67.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20190904213732/http://031d26d.na...
    - CyanBird 6y ago
      Sad to see moderators not delete these kind of useless uninformed messages as they used to do just couple years ago
    - rlt 6y ago
      I believe you are thinking of the term “assault weapon”, which was a term invented to help ban semi-automatic military-style rifles, that arguably aren’t significantly deadlier than other less scary looking semi-automatic rifles, but are politically more convenient to ban. “Assault rifle” is a valid term but it only refers to automatic rifles, which were already effectively banned for civilians. I don’t know whether that rifle (carried by a police officer) is automatic or semi-automatic.
- rlt 6y ago
  > treatment of BLM protestors How many BLM protestors were shot and killed by police? I’m genuinely curious, as I’m not aware of any.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    I'm going to assume your question is in good faith, and try to provide a factual set of people who died (that I'm aware of). * Sarah Grossman was pepper-sprayed at a demonstration and later died in the hospital from acute respiratory issues. * David McAtee was fatally shot by police at a protest : https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-shot-dead/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-sh... * Sean Monterossa was killed while kneeling with hands raised when shot to death by police because they mistook a hammer in his pocket for a gun. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Attorney-identifies-SF-resident-fatally-shot-by-15315301.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Attorney-identifie... * Aubreana Inda was sent into cardiac arrest, 'dying' three times, after being shot in the chest. https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-26-year-old-died-three-times-after-police-hit-her-with-a-blast-ball https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-26-year-old-died-three-tim... There are countless incident reports of 'less lethal' ammunition being aimed at faces. Less lethal is still lethal. This woman was placed into a medically induced coma: https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2020/06/02/family-of-woman-hit-in-face-by-police-rubber-bullet-urges-swift-justice/ https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2020/06/02/family-of-woman... And several incidents of police using their vehicles or horses to ram, trample, or assault people (e.g. by opening a car door to hit protestors as they drove by). Those could easily have been lethal, though they weren't in this case. Edit: I know this is all super polarizing stuff, but I'm trying to provide a specific and direct answer to the question above.
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      LAPD shot a man named CJ Montano in the head with a 40mm foam round. He was standing with his hands up in the middle of the road when they shot him.
      - Pfhreak 6y ago

by rlt 6y ago

rtkwe 6y ago

She was climbing through a barricaded door through a broken window with a person with a drawn gun on the other side protecting who knows who, armed or not the outcome was kind of a given when she decided that was a good idea. Not the best comparison to put up against the treatment of BLM protestors throughout the year.

LargeWu 6y ago
There was at least one person near her in the video of that women getting shot who was clearly armed with an assault rifle. She may have been unarmed but was storming the chamber with other armed people. The security on the other side had good reason to believe she was a dangerous threat.
- jeffbee 6y ago
  The guy with a carbine in the video is a police tactical officer. The main question about this scene is not why the secret service officer shot the woman who defied a lawful order by entering the chambers through a broken window and over the top of a barricade. The question is why she hadn't been shot long before.
  - LargeWu 6y ago
    Yeah, you're right, the original video I saw was tightly shot and only showed the weapon. There was a similar video released later where those officers where coming up a staircase from behind.
- kyleblarson 6y ago
  There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle'. It is a made up term.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    If you're going to operate at the intersection of gun nuttery and prescriptive English usage, it would help you to be right. The US Army "Small Arms Identification Guide" defined the term at least 50 years ago. https://web.archive.org/web/20190904213732/http://031d26d.namesecurehost.com/gunfax/fstcp67.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20190904213732/http://031d26d.na...
  - CyanBird 6y ago
    Sad to see moderators not delete these kind of useless uninformed messages as they used to do just couple years ago
  - rlt 6y ago
    I believe you are thinking of the term “assault weapon”, which was a term invented to help ban semi-automatic military-style rifles, that arguably aren’t significantly deadlier than other less scary looking semi-automatic rifles, but are politically more convenient to ban. “Assault rifle” is a valid term but it only refers to automatic rifles, which were already effectively banned for civilians. I don’t know whether that rifle (carried by a police officer) is automatic or semi-automatic.
rlt 6y ago
> treatment of BLM protestors How many BLM protestors were shot and killed by police? I’m genuinely curious, as I’m not aware of any.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  I'm going to assume your question is in good faith, and try to provide a factual set of people who died (that I'm aware of). * Sarah Grossman was pepper-sprayed at a demonstration and later died in the hospital from acute respiratory issues. * David McAtee was fatally shot by police at a protest : https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-shot-dead/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-sh... * Sean Monterossa was killed while kneeling with hands raised when shot to death by police because they mistook a hammer in his pocket for a gun. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Attorney-identifies-SF-resident-fatally-shot-by-15315301.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Attorney-identifie... * Aubreana Inda was sent into cardiac arrest, 'dying' three times, after being shot in the chest. https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-26-year-old-died-three-times-after-police-hit-her-with-a-blast-ball https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-26-year-old-died-three-tim... There are countless incident reports of 'less lethal' ammunition being aimed at faces. Less lethal is still lethal. This woman was placed into a medically induced coma: https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2020/06/02/family-of-woman-hit-in-face-by-police-rubber-bullet-urges-swift-justice/ https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2020/06/02/family-of-woman... And several incidents of police using their vehicles or horses to ram, trample, or assault people (e.g. by opening a car door to hit protestors as they drove by). Those could easily have been lethal, though they weren't in this case. Edit: I know this is all super polarizing stuff, but I'm trying to provide a specific and direct answer to the question above.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    LAPD shot a man named CJ Montano in the head with a 40mm foam round. He was standing with his hands up in the middle of the road when they shot him.
    - Pfhreak 6y ago