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Because someone on the inside opened the door and let them in, it’s not “storming”? Those Twitter comments are all suggesting this was a setup, but the more lik

Because someone on the inside opened the door and let them in, it’s not “storming”? Those Twitter comments are all suggesting this was a setup, but the more likely scenario is that most of those that should be serving as police either were sympathetic to today’s right wing rhetoric or weren’t prepared for a mess of people. What were they supposed to do at the point of this video? Pull out their guns and escalate the situation? People died anyway.

kolbe 6y ago
When they let you walk in quietly, yeah. You can stretch language all you want until it has no meaning, but "storming" has a definition, and it isn't "people I don't like went somewhere I didn't want them to go." u/doomslice did post an example of something that would be considered "storming." https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming 5. A violent disturbance or upheaval, as in political, social, or domestic affairs: a storm of protest. 6. A violent, sudden attack on a fortified place.
- evan_ 6y ago
  Why not post the verb definitions directly below the noun definitions you posted? 1. To assault or capture suddenly: The troops stormed the fortress. See Synonyms at attack. 2. To travel around (a place) vigorously in an attempt to gain support: The candidates stormed the country. 3. To shout angrily: "Never!" she stormed. Even if you're pretending that there was no violence in the event that left 5 people dead and many more hospitalized, those all apply.
  - kolbe 6y ago
    I was talking about the action of walking though a door when the guards opened the doors and allowed them in. If you want to strawman things I say to feel better about yourself, have fun. 2/3 have no relevance to the situation, and 1 requires an assault. So, no, they don’t “all apply.”
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> People died anyway. Same happened at CHAZ, a couple black kids got killed by some nutjob police LARPers. I don’t recall a big hubbub blaming left wing rhetoric or arguing for the immediate destruction and disbanding of the autonomous zones. I remember an absolute heartbreaking interview with the kid’s father. There was no interest for the BLM crowd to hold their own accountable.
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  Are we really sitting here comparing storming the capitol building and interrupting the certification of the electoral vote, to CHAZ? Pipe bombs were placed in capital buildings, the insurrectionists were armed and had zip ties. Five people died as a result of these actions. The idea that this is at all comparable to CHAZ, is ridiculous.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    > Five people died as a result of these actions. I can guarantee more died as a direct result of BLM "protests" in 2020. Nevermind billions of dollars of damage that fell on the shoulders of minority and lower class communities. I have a hard time imagining that someone concerned about insurrection would unabashedly gloss over CHAZ/CHOP as though it's not a cut-and-dry act of secession. I guess you support secession.
    - hilbertseries 6y ago
      I don't support CHAZ and I never said I did. Claiming to secede for a couple of blocks in a neighborhood in Seattle, is incredibly stupid and dangerous. My point here is the scope of things, armed insurrectionists stormed the capitol building. Three pipe bombs were recovered and disarmed. What do you think would have happened if the person who laid the pipe bombs had gotten to Nancy Pelosi? Further the President of the united states was pleased by these actions and told them he loved them. He refused to call the national guard and the department of defense initially refused several requests. Somehow, the VP who doesn't have the authority to, called in the national guard. CHAZ was not supported or incited by Joe Biden. And CHAZ did not threaten our democracy or interrupt the democratic process.

kolbe 6y ago

When they let you walk in quietly, yeah. You can stretch language all you want until it has no meaning, but "storming" has a definition, and it isn't "people I don't like went somewhere I didn't want them to go." u/doomslice did post an example of something that would be considered "storming." https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming 5. A violent disturbance or upheaval, as in political, social, or domestic affairs: a storm of protest. 6. A violent, sudden attack on a fortified place.

evan_ 6y ago
Why not post the verb definitions directly below the noun definitions you posted? 1. To assault or capture suddenly: The troops stormed the fortress. See Synonyms at attack. 2. To travel around (a place) vigorously in an attempt to gain support: The candidates stormed the country. 3. To shout angrily: "Never!" she stormed. Even if you're pretending that there was no violence in the event that left 5 people dead and many more hospitalized, those all apply.
- kolbe 6y ago
  I was talking about the action of walking though a door when the guards opened the doors and allowed them in. If you want to strawman things I say to feel better about yourself, have fun. 2/3 have no relevance to the situation, and 1 requires an assault. So, no, they don’t “all apply.”

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

> People died anyway. Same happened at CHAZ, a couple black kids got killed by some nutjob police LARPers. I don’t recall a big hubbub blaming left wing rhetoric or arguing for the immediate destruction and disbanding of the autonomous zones. I remember an absolute heartbreaking interview with the kid’s father. There was no interest for the BLM crowd to hold their own accountable.

hilbertseries 6y ago
Are we really sitting here comparing storming the capitol building and interrupting the certification of the electoral vote, to CHAZ? Pipe bombs were placed in capital buildings, the insurrectionists were armed and had zip ties. Five people died as a result of these actions. The idea that this is at all comparable to CHAZ, is ridiculous.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > Five people died as a result of these actions. I can guarantee more died as a direct result of BLM "protests" in 2020. Nevermind billions of dollars of damage that fell on the shoulders of minority and lower class communities. I have a hard time imagining that someone concerned about insurrection would unabashedly gloss over CHAZ/CHOP as though it's not a cut-and-dry act of secession. I guess you support secession.
  - hilbertseries 6y ago
    I don't support CHAZ and I never said I did. Claiming to secede for a couple of blocks in a neighborhood in Seattle, is incredibly stupid and dangerous. My point here is the scope of things, armed insurrectionists stormed the capitol building. Three pipe bombs were recovered and disarmed. What do you think would have happened if the person who laid the pipe bombs had gotten to Nancy Pelosi? Further the President of the united states was pleased by these actions and told them he loved them. He refused to call the national guard and the department of defense initially refused several requests. Somehow, the VP who doesn't have the authority to, called in the national guard. CHAZ was not supported or incited by Joe Biden. And CHAZ did not threaten our democracy or interrupt the democratic process.