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The people who literally stormed the capital earlier this week, some of whom brought equipment like zipties with the intention of kidnapping/hostage taking. Tho

by neaden 6y ago

The people who literally stormed the capital earlier this week, some of whom brought equipment like zipties with the intention of kidnapping/hostage taking. Those specific people who we all literally just saw doing the thing on basically every TV Channel while some of them literally livestreamed themselves doing it. This is in no way ambiguous at all.

blisterpeanuts 6y ago
There were some extremists and nuts there, agreed. Out of 40K people (some say much higher) there were some 100 or so who actually "stormed" the Capitol building, which is to say they walked past the barricades that the cops helpfully moved out of the way for unexplained reasons, and stood on the steps shouting & taking pictures etc., and a very small subset of these people actually broke a window and entered the building. This is all based on video footage from many witnesses. In the end, some 50-60 people were arrested and one unarmed woman was shot dead by a cop inside the building and there are clear videos of this appalling incident. I don't condone or defend any of these morons for trespassing and my understanding is that 99% of the crowd were yelling at them not to trespass, not to break the window, and there are eyewitnesses now saying a handful, maybe 6-10 of them, were actually antifa agitators trying to stir up violence. Anyway, regardless, yes I agree that some people were violent assholes and they deserve to be prosecuted. However, this still doesn't justify cutting off websites that serve millions of people. Or even websites that serve 1 person. You either have fair and equal treatment for all law abiding people, or you have none at all.
- neaden 6y ago
  The idea that the violence was from antifa members is a conspiracy theory, that you are mentioning here without any citation or evidence, because there is none. These kind of lies that you are promoting here are a perfect example of how lies spread through the internet.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    There's a difference between lies and unsubstantiated statements. In this case, I'm quoting eyewitnesses interviewed by vlogger Millie Weaver. Maybe multiple witnesses are lying, but actually they mostly stated that a group looked and acted like antifa. Your statement that I'm promoting lies is itself a lie. Or, to be charitable, a misunderstanding based on insufficient information.
    - neaden 6y ago
      To be clear I'm not being charitable. You are lying here and promoting conspiracy theories. You are part of the problem.
      - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
        Well from my perspective, you're part of the problem. Good day.
        neaden 6y ago
        This isn't about perspective. You are the one actually saying lies. Don't try to turn this around into some thing where it just two equal opinions. It is truth vs lies, and you are choosing lies.
        dang 6y ago
        (Sorry for the delay but I've been swamped since this conflagration.) Posts like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691491 and many others you posted in these recent threads are not acceptable on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. We ban this sort of account, regardless of which politics they're battling for. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. Please make sure you're not using HN primarily for political battle—it's against the guidelines and it's the line across which we start banning accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), again regardless of which politics they're battling for. The reason is that it basically destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation on a wide range of topics.

by neaden 6y ago

blisterpeanuts 6y ago

There were some extremists and nuts there, agreed. Out of 40K people (some say much higher) there were some 100 or so who actually "stormed" the Capitol building, which is to say they walked past the barricades that the cops helpfully moved out of the way for unexplained reasons, and stood on the steps shouting & taking pictures etc., and a very small subset of these people actually broke a window and entered the building. This is all based on video footage from many witnesses. In the end, some 50-60 people were arrested and one unarmed woman was shot dead by a cop inside the building and there are clear videos of this appalling incident. I don't condone or defend any of these morons for trespassing and my understanding is that 99% of the crowd were yelling at them not to trespass, not to break the window, and there are eyewitnesses now saying a handful, maybe 6-10 of them, were actually antifa agitators trying to stir up violence. Anyway, regardless, yes I agree that some people were violent assholes and they deserve to be prosecuted. However, this still doesn't justify cutting off websites that serve millions of people. Or even websites that serve 1 person. You either have fair and equal treatment for all law abiding people, or you have none at all.

neaden 6y ago
The idea that the violence was from antifa members is a conspiracy theory, that you are mentioning here without any citation or evidence, because there is none. These kind of lies that you are promoting here are a perfect example of how lies spread through the internet.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  There's a difference between lies and unsubstantiated statements. In this case, I'm quoting eyewitnesses interviewed by vlogger Millie Weaver. Maybe multiple witnesses are lying, but actually they mostly stated that a group looked and acted like antifa. Your statement that I'm promoting lies is itself a lie. Or, to be charitable, a misunderstanding based on insufficient information.
  - neaden 6y ago
    To be clear I'm not being charitable. You are lying here and promoting conspiracy theories. You are part of the problem.
    - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
      Well from my perspective, you're part of the problem. Good day.
      - neaden 6y ago
        This isn't about perspective. You are the one actually saying lies. Don't try to turn this around into some thing where it just two equal opinions. It is truth vs lies, and you are choosing lies.
        dang 6y ago
        (Sorry for the delay but I've been swamped since this conflagration.) Posts like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691491 and many others you posted in these recent threads are not acceptable on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. We ban this sort of account, regardless of which politics they're battling for. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. Please make sure you're not using HN primarily for political battle—it's against the guidelines and it's the line across which we start banning accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), again regardless of which politics they're battling for. The reason is that it basically destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation on a wide range of topics.