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> If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok. The thing is: left-wing radicalization is tolerated by the platforms, b

> If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok. The thing is: left-wing radicalization is tolerated by the platforms, but right-wing radicalization isn't.

slothtrop 6y ago
The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism, they won't be tolerated either.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  Indeed. On reddit, r/chapotraphouse was also deleted a while back because it was (AFAIU) a casual tankie forum that didn't mind calling for violence, or at least insinuating it
- JasonFruit 6y ago
  The bulk of the right wing doesn't, either. Your bubble is showing. If the right wing weren't so frequently excised from the public sphere, it might be easier for you to see the saner parts of it — but the private censorship we've been seeing cuts with a blunt scalpel. I think it's better to expose the worst of it to public contempt, rather than isolate them and let them fester together.
  - slothtrop 6y ago
    > The bulk of the right wing doesn't Look at the parent I responded to. This is a question of extremes, not mere left/right spheres. The far right / alt-right is fascist, racist and violent by definition: that's what makes them far-right. No one said being a conservative is violent.
    - JasonFruit 6y ago
      I think that's a tendentious and not particularly useful definition of far-right. But you're right that in context, your statement makes more sense.
      - slothtrop 6y ago
        Offer a more useful one if an obvious one comes to mind. Because the common denominator among banned far-right communities on popular forums has been the aforementioned characteristics.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    The right wing is all over the public sphere. I have a pretty good idea of what they're saying and supporting despite having a lot of the usual suspects blocked on Twitter. I have no idea what you think the "saner" part is, but the saner part is no longer in control.
- young_unixer 6y ago
  > The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism You mean everyday?
  - slothtrop 6y ago
    If the projection makes you feel better. Groups are removed on the basis of that behavior, not where they lean. You'll never show an example suggesting otherwise.
Miner49er 6y ago
Not remotely true. /r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned a while back too. If anything, they target the left more.
- pie_flavor 6y ago
  As an excuse for banning T_D and a bunch of other right leaning subs at the same time, and then blatantly ignored ban-evading r/ChapoTrapHouse2 for months. When they finally took them down for ban evasion, it was an excuse to ban another giant wave of right wing subs. EDIT: Original claim is left intact for posterity, but it is definitely wrong and I misremembered. Reddit has its moderation oddities but claiming they target the left more is bordering on silly. r/WatchRedditDie is a great catalog of politically biased moderation.
  - Miner49er 6y ago
    No, it was the other way around. T_D was already dead. The mods had already locked it and moved to thedonald.win. Banning it was meaningless, they just did it to make the /r/chapotraphouse ban look more fair. Here's a list of subs banned that day with active user counts: https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt Chapo was the largest by a large margin besides /r/darkhumorandmemes (edgy jokes). And you are just straight up lying about /r/chapotraphouse2. It was banned the same day, as was /r/chapotraphouse3 through /r/chapotraphouse49.
    - pie_flavor 6y ago
      I must have misremembered. They were flagrantly violating some rule for months, and the million variants of the sub name were part of it. But you misremember too. T_D had not been "locked", unless you're talking about the quarantine in which case you make it sound like the same people that did it as moved to thedonald.win. Meanwhile r/ConsumeProduct and r/GenderCritical were huge losses, with no actual rule violations to cause them, aside from a few AHS brigades.
      - 6y ago

> If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok. The thing is: left-wing radicalization is tolerated by the platforms, but right-wing radicalization isn't.

slothtrop 6y ago

The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism, they won't be tolerated either.

mrguyorama 6y ago
Indeed. On reddit, r/chapotraphouse was also deleted a while back because it was (AFAIU) a casual tankie forum that didn't mind calling for violence, or at least insinuating it
JasonFruit 6y ago
The bulk of the right wing doesn't, either. Your bubble is showing. If the right wing weren't so frequently excised from the public sphere, it might be easier for you to see the saner parts of it — but the private censorship we've been seeing cuts with a blunt scalpel. I think it's better to expose the worst of it to public contempt, rather than isolate them and let them fester together.
- slothtrop 6y ago
  > The bulk of the right wing doesn't Look at the parent I responded to. This is a question of extremes, not mere left/right spheres. The far right / alt-right is fascist, racist and violent by definition: that's what makes them far-right. No one said being a conservative is violent.
  - JasonFruit 6y ago
    I think that's a tendentious and not particularly useful definition of far-right. But you're right that in context, your statement makes more sense.
    - slothtrop 6y ago
      Offer a more useful one if an obvious one comes to mind. Because the common denominator among banned far-right communities on popular forums has been the aforementioned characteristics.
- pjc50 6y ago
  The right wing is all over the public sphere. I have a pretty good idea of what they're saying and supporting despite having a lot of the usual suspects blocked on Twitter. I have no idea what you think the "saner" part is, but the saner part is no longer in control.
young_unixer 6y ago
> The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism You mean everyday?
- slothtrop 6y ago
  If the projection makes you feel better. Groups are removed on the basis of that behavior, not where they lean. You'll never show an example suggesting otherwise.

Miner49er 6y ago

Not remotely true. /r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned a while back too. If anything, they target the left more.

pie_flavor 6y ago
As an excuse for banning T_D and a bunch of other right leaning subs at the same time, and then blatantly ignored ban-evading r/ChapoTrapHouse2 for months. When they finally took them down for ban evasion, it was an excuse to ban another giant wave of right wing subs. EDIT: Original claim is left intact for posterity, but it is definitely wrong and I misremembered. Reddit has its moderation oddities but claiming they target the left more is bordering on silly. r/WatchRedditDie is a great catalog of politically biased moderation.
- Miner49er 6y ago
  No, it was the other way around. T_D was already dead. The mods had already locked it and moved to thedonald.win. Banning it was meaningless, they just did it to make the /r/chapotraphouse ban look more fair. Here's a list of subs banned that day with active user counts: https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt Chapo was the largest by a large margin besides /r/darkhumorandmemes (edgy jokes). And you are just straight up lying about /r/chapotraphouse2. It was banned the same day, as was /r/chapotraphouse3 through /r/chapotraphouse49.
  - pie_flavor 6y ago
    I must have misremembered. They were flagrantly violating some rule for months, and the million variants of the sub name were part of it. But you misremember too. T_D had not been "locked", unless you're talking about the quarantine in which case you make it sound like the same people that did it as moved to thedonald.win. Meanwhile r/ConsumeProduct and r/GenderCritical were huge losses, with no actual rule violations to cause them, aside from a few AHS brigades.
    - 6y ago