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My office is likely set up the same as yours, or at least close enough to yours. You could absolutely pop in to visit me. But you could also grab enough of you

My office is likely set up the same as yours, or at least close enough to yours. You could absolutely pop in to visit me. But you could also grab enough of your friends to obtain a decisive numerical advantage – let's say, you and twenty of your closest friends, that probably gets close to what we saw yesterday. Be sure one or two of them are visibly armed. Once you have your buddies, you can go break through the glass door leading to the receptionist's desk. We saw that yesterday too. Once you're in, game over: I don't expect Nancy to tackle you at the door, or my friend Brian to kick you when you try to come into the conference room. I expect when you're inside you'll get a guest badge – or an employees – and proceed to go about doing whatever you were interested in doing. My office's threat model – and yours – is not based on defending against a mob of people storming the building.

mumblemumble 6y ago
> My office's threat model – and yours – is not based on defending against a mob of people storming the building. That's sort of exactly the point I'm making. My office's threat model isn't even in the same league, and yet it still seems to have more thought put into physical security than the Capitol building. It would appear that, unlike in the hypothetical you're constructing, in the real event, people didn't even need keycards in order to freely move about the building after getting past the exterior doors.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Your office is intended to keep most people in the world out most of the time. The Capitol is intended to allow most people most of the time.
  - mumblemumble 6y ago
    So Nancy Pelosi's office is generally open to the public, and it's fine for people to go on in whenever they want, even when she's not there? I've honestly never tried to visit a congressperson in DC, so I suppose I wouldn't know, but it sounds unlikely. My public library is even more intended for public use than the US Capitol, but I still need a key to go back into the offices.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > So Nancy Pelosi's office is generally open to the public, and it's fine for people to go on in whenever they want, even when she's not there? Generally, yes. Their offices are suites with a reception that'll be staffed for constituent services most of the day. Staff are also typically there all day taking calls from the public. Found a quick tour of one (small office; leadership will have much larger ones) on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnIMUfF3U8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnIMUfF3U8I

mumblemumble 6y ago

> My office's threat model – and yours – is not based on defending against a mob of people storming the building. That's sort of exactly the point I'm making. My office's threat model isn't even in the same league, and yet it still seems to have more thought put into physical security than the Capitol building. It would appear that, unlike in the hypothetical you're constructing, in the real event, people didn't even need keycards in order to freely move about the building after getting past the exterior doors.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Your office is intended to keep most people in the world out most of the time. The Capitol is intended to allow most people most of the time.
- mumblemumble 6y ago
  So Nancy Pelosi's office is generally open to the public, and it's fine for people to go on in whenever they want, even when she's not there? I've honestly never tried to visit a congressperson in DC, so I suppose I wouldn't know, but it sounds unlikely. My public library is even more intended for public use than the US Capitol, but I still need a key to go back into the offices.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > So Nancy Pelosi's office is generally open to the public, and it's fine for people to go on in whenever they want, even when she's not there? Generally, yes. Their offices are suites with a reception that'll be staffed for constituent services most of the day. Staff are also typically there all day taking calls from the public. Found a quick tour of one (small office; leadership will have much larger ones) on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnIMUfF3U8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnIMUfF3U8I