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As soon as those people take action and start murdering all the landlords, absolutely. Speech is speech, when that speech begets action then we have a problem.

coldtea 6y ago
So like several months of looting and burning in various cities like Portland?
- onethought 6y ago
  Yes. People who break the law should be prosecuted, else you weaken the law. But, burning and looting is in a different category to the Capitol stuff, I think.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Is it? To me it's the same kind or even more symbolic - it just annoys people that it was the "wrong" thinking masses to do it. If it was done for some other cause, there would be no end of celebratory articles on the same outlets that now condemn it...
    - onethought 6y ago
      Given the seditious aspect to it off directly attacking a body of government. It seems different under US law compared with arson/vandalism that has most characterised the protests around US cities. I think it would be condemned equally no matter who tried it. It’s the beginning of an end game scenario of democracy... so it makes sense it is viewed so harshly
- scythe 6y ago
  It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities. Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned. The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence. It is all but certain that the fraction who did is much smaller than the fraction of 1/6/21 protestors who illegally entered the Capitol. Comparing the one to the other is not justified.
  - pie_flavor 6y ago
    There have been five hundred separate BLM/Antifa-related riots, and the most recent one was the night before the Capitol protest. They have, in fact, lasted several months.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities. That's neither here nor there. I didn't say "burning for months" (e.g. the same fires keep burning for months), I said "burning and looting for months", that is incidents of burnings and lootings occuring for months. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, and have lasted (not each individual, the case of them popping has lasted) for months... >The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence. It is all but certain that the fraction who did is much smaller than the fraction of 1/6/21 protestors who illegally entered the Capitol. That's not certain at all. The videos show a totally different story. >Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned. Many of those in favor aren't, especially if they live outside of the affected radius.
    - scythe 6y ago
      > I said "burning and looting for months", that is incidents of burnings and lootings occuring for months. Weasel words, then. The continuous presence of fire for months was of course not implied. >Many of those in favor aren't, especially if they live outside of the affected radius. In favor of what, precisely?
BitwiseFool 6y ago
All of these efforts are happening to prevent Trump supporters from speaking. I'm certain you would not apply the same judgement to Trump supporters who are just speaking about violence, would you?

coldtea 6y ago

So like several months of looting and burning in various cities like Portland?

onethought 6y ago
Yes. People who break the law should be prosecuted, else you weaken the law. But, burning and looting is in a different category to the Capitol stuff, I think.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Is it? To me it's the same kind or even more symbolic - it just annoys people that it was the "wrong" thinking masses to do it. If it was done for some other cause, there would be no end of celebratory articles on the same outlets that now condemn it...
  - onethought 6y ago
    Given the seditious aspect to it off directly attacking a body of government. It seems different under US law compared with arson/vandalism that has most characterised the protests around US cities. I think it would be condemned equally no matter who tried it. It’s the beginning of an end game scenario of democracy... so it makes sense it is viewed so harshly
scythe 6y ago
It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities. Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned. The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence. It is all but certain that the fraction who did is much smaller than the fraction of 1/6/21 protestors who illegally entered the Capitol. Comparing the one to the other is not justified.
- pie_flavor 6y ago
  There have been five hundred separate BLM/Antifa-related riots, and the most recent one was the night before the Capitol protest. They have, in fact, lasted several months.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities. That's neither here nor there. I didn't say "burning for months" (e.g. the same fires keep burning for months), I said "burning and looting for months", that is incidents of burnings and lootings occuring for months. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, and have lasted (not each individual, the case of them popping has lasted) for months... >The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence. It is all but certain that the fraction who did is much smaller than the fraction of 1/6/21 protestors who illegally entered the Capitol. That's not certain at all. The videos show a totally different story. >Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned. Many of those in favor aren't, especially if they live outside of the affected radius.
  - scythe 6y ago
    > I said "burning and looting for months", that is incidents of burnings and lootings occuring for months. Weasel words, then. The continuous presence of fire for months was of course not implied. >Many of those in favor aren't, especially if they live outside of the affected radius. In favor of what, precisely?

BitwiseFool 6y ago

All of these efforts are happening to prevent Trump supporters from speaking. I'm certain you would not apply the same judgement to Trump supporters who are just speaking about violence, would you?