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> ...unless the MBTA gets special treatment under law. Agree with the other reply, the "hacker logic" comment. Also worth noting as a pragmatic matter - throu

> ...unless the MBTA gets special treatment under law. Agree with the other reply, the "hacker logic" comment. Also worth noting as a pragmatic matter - throughout pretty much all of recorded history, enterprises with a close working relationship with the government have always gotten favorable legal treatment. For instance, in Las Vegas, borrowing money from the casino and not paying them back is criminal! No joke. Why? Because the casinos fund the vast majority of Nevada income and have a close relationship with the state. This isn't anything new. State-charted, state-controlled, or significantly-revenue-generating companies have pretty much always gotten favorable treatment under the law. If you really feel the need to screw with someone, you generally don't want them to be friends with the government.

ynniv 15y ago
Agree with the other reply, the "hacker logic" comment. Why is logic bad? Logic will be used by both the prosecution and the defense, as well as the judge. They will also employ their individual preferences when selecting their arguments, but logic is not simply ignored. Also worth noting as a pragmatic matter - throughout pretty much all of recorded history, enterprises with a close working relationship with the government have always gotten favorable legal treatment. To accept that the State is strong and does whatever powerful interests desire is spineless. We know it to be true, but to accept it is to be either complicit or cowardly.
- lionhearted 15y ago
  > To accept that the State is strong and does whatever powerful interests desire is spineless. "Accept everything just the way it is." - Miyamoto Musashi's first principle of the Dokkodo Making statements of fact that are true is not cowardly. Note that I didn't make any value judgment of the current system. Just stated how things are. That's always the starting point. How things actually are. You always start there.
  - ynniv 15y ago
    Making statements of fact that are true is not cowardly. True. But stating an undesirable reality as a retort to a philosophical question is to step past the starting point. "Accept everything just the way it is." - Miyamoto Musashi's first principle of the Dokkodo A good thing to keep in mind.
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- michael_dorfman 15y ago
  Why is logic bad? Because it is not really logic, in this case-- it's hacker-who-is-committed-to-piracy-being-noncriminal logic. In other words, it's an ex post facto justification of something based on little more than wishful thinking. This case is open-and-shut. The guy produced counterfeit tickets, plain and simple.
  - ynniv 15y ago
    No, he produced real tickets that he didn't pay for.

ynniv 15y ago

Agree with the other reply, the "hacker logic" comment. Why is logic bad? Logic will be used by both the prosecution and the defense, as well as the judge. They will also employ their individual preferences when selecting their arguments, but logic is not simply ignored. Also worth noting as a pragmatic matter - throughout pretty much all of recorded history, enterprises with a close working relationship with the government have always gotten favorable legal treatment. To accept that the State is strong and does whatever powerful interests desire is spineless. We know it to be true, but to accept it is to be either complicit or cowardly.

lionhearted 15y ago
> To accept that the State is strong and does whatever powerful interests desire is spineless. "Accept everything just the way it is." - Miyamoto Musashi's first principle of the Dokkodo Making statements of fact that are true is not cowardly. Note that I didn't make any value judgment of the current system. Just stated how things are. That's always the starting point. How things actually are. You always start there.
- ynniv 15y ago
  Making statements of fact that are true is not cowardly. True. But stating an undesirable reality as a retort to a philosophical question is to step past the starting point. "Accept everything just the way it is." - Miyamoto Musashi's first principle of the Dokkodo A good thing to keep in mind.
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michael_dorfman 15y ago
Why is logic bad? Because it is not really logic, in this case-- it's hacker-who-is-committed-to-piracy-being-noncriminal logic. In other words, it's an ex post facto justification of something based on little more than wishful thinking. This case is open-and-shut. The guy produced counterfeit tickets, plain and simple.
- ynniv 15y ago
  No, he produced real tickets that he didn't pay for.