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If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of viole

If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to death. The people are ready it is time. >We got to give it until Monday but after that partriots we must take the fight to them, make that rally look small. Load your magazines gather your things it's time to go and take out the sorry bastards. While we worry about the very legitimate question of what the limits of free speech are and how we ought not to create a situation where anyone serves as the gate keeper they are planning to kill us and install an autocracy.

Grimm1 6y ago
I am of the potentially unpopular mindset that we need to get our hands dirty to preserve our freedoms from these people. Worrying about being a gatekeeper when these people gladly, and openly, threaten our peace and lives is ridiculous. Let's shut them down, shut them out and generally rebuke them. History shows that higher order ideals generally need to be preserved with actions when words have failed, and make no mistake we are past words with these folks.
- bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
  I agree but there are 300 million in the US. The actual insurrectionists are like... 200 people? Maybe 2,000? Shutting down anyone talking pro trump in the whole country will have downsides, and just make them more angry. Prohibition isn't an answer that will work. Hopefully sending all of the insurrectionists to jail will help.
  - Grimm1 6y ago
    I made this likening to the situation the otherday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch "Maybe 2,000" was a precursor event to the rise of Nazi germany.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    There are actually more like tens of millions of people who support replacing our democracy with autocracy on the basis that they believe we are stealing their country from them.
- noir_lord 6y ago
  A tolerant society should tolerate everything but intolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
The people screaming "Free Speech" are well aware of the content and viewpoints espoused by sites like Parler and T_D. The fact of the matter is that they are supportive of people being killed and white supremacist autocracy being installed.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  I don't know what "T_D" is, but Parler doesn't "espouse" anything. It was founded as an alternative to the social media companies that are de-platforming right wing voices. That doesn't mean more than a tiny percentage on Parler are "supportive of people being killed". Actually I'd like to see some examples - have not yet seen anyone there advocate for violence. Parler actually does remove such postings so if you see something, report it.
  - lukifer 6y ago
    T_D === /r/The_Donald. It's since migrated to thedonald dot win; however vile the content, one of the virtues of the censorship-resistant open web is that we're able to keep tabs on what they're discussing. They were extremely unsubtle regarding their plans for the 6th; if anything, we're lucky that it didn't result in even more violence. I agree, that it's unfair to (a-priori) castigate free-speech-absolutist platforms; there are good-faith, civil-libertarian reasons for them to exist. Nonetheless, they inherently act as a moth-flame to specifically those people that are banned from more mainstream platforms; after all, what motivation would non-controversial communities have to migrate? I absolutely the right of such platforms to exist, but from Voat, to Gab, to now Parler, in practice they quickly skew towards conspiracies and "hate speech" and the like. I consider SSC's heterodox "Culture War Thread" [0] to be the canonical case study in this pattern: "It's very easy to remove spam, bots, racial slurs, low-effort trolls, and abuse... But once you remove all those things, you're left with people honestly and civilly arguing for their opinions. And that's the scariest thing of all." [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread...
    - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
blisterpeanuts 6y ago
> "the things people post there" You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. I would also note that there's been plenty of talk of violence against conservatives on left-leaning platforms, Twitter especially but many others. These people are never called out even if they talk about "rounding them up and putting them in camps" and similar Nazi-like talk, even killing them seems to be permissible. I've reported lots of such tweets and sometimes they're taken down, other times, not.
- MauranKilom 6y ago
  > You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. Do they also condemn or apply moderation to violence being advocated? Or is it condoned? Honest question, I have not even remotely invested enough time (nor do I plan to do so) to understand this facet. > I've reported lots of such tweets and sometimes they're taken down, other times, not. I agree that such messages should be taken down and condemned just the same.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    I'm saying that violence is not condoned on the Parler platform. I was a moderator for a while and this is quite specific. You can get on there and say Trump is an idiot or Trump is a saint and you will not be silenced. But you can't say "so-and-so should be killed" that's a total violation of TOS and will get you removed from the site.
    - jusssi 6y ago
      I'm not familiar with Parler, but places like that in general, people just find the closest of threat / incite that passes moderation. And everyone who frequents there knows what is implied. My personal "favorite" of such: "this country is not safe for you". Not a threat, just stating a fact.
- deleted 6y ago
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Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Your anecdote is irrelevant, You can find all kinds of deranged behaviour on any platform. Speaking of gatekeepers, however, I wonder, how soon Google and Apple will boot Parler from their AppStores?
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  Called it: "BREAKING: Apple is currently threatening to ban Parler -- the free speech alternative to Twitter -- unless the service enacts draconian censorship policies demanded by left-wing Big Tech oligarchs, according to two sources familiar with Apple's threats." [1]: https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1347660160806825984 https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1347660160806825984

Grimm1 6y ago

I am of the potentially unpopular mindset that we need to get our hands dirty to preserve our freedoms from these people. Worrying about being a gatekeeper when these people gladly, and openly, threaten our peace and lives is ridiculous. Let's shut them down, shut them out and generally rebuke them. History shows that higher order ideals generally need to be preserved with actions when words have failed, and make no mistake we are past words with these folks.

bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
I agree but there are 300 million in the US. The actual insurrectionists are like... 200 people? Maybe 2,000? Shutting down anyone talking pro trump in the whole country will have downsides, and just make them more angry. Prohibition isn't an answer that will work. Hopefully sending all of the insurrectionists to jail will help.
- Grimm1 6y ago
  I made this likening to the situation the otherday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch "Maybe 2,000" was a precursor event to the rise of Nazi germany.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  There are actually more like tens of millions of people who support replacing our democracy with autocracy on the basis that they believe we are stealing their country from them.
noir_lord 6y ago
A tolerant society should tolerate everything but intolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

The people screaming "Free Speech" are well aware of the content and viewpoints espoused by sites like Parler and T_D. The fact of the matter is that they are supportive of people being killed and white supremacist autocracy being installed.

blisterpeanuts 6y ago
I don't know what "T_D" is, but Parler doesn't "espouse" anything. It was founded as an alternative to the social media companies that are de-platforming right wing voices. That doesn't mean more than a tiny percentage on Parler are "supportive of people being killed". Actually I'd like to see some examples - have not yet seen anyone there advocate for violence. Parler actually does remove such postings so if you see something, report it.
- lukifer 6y ago
  T_D === /r/The_Donald. It's since migrated to thedonald dot win; however vile the content, one of the virtues of the censorship-resistant open web is that we're able to keep tabs on what they're discussing. They were extremely unsubtle regarding their plans for the 6th; if anything, we're lucky that it didn't result in even more violence. I agree, that it's unfair to (a-priori) castigate free-speech-absolutist platforms; there are good-faith, civil-libertarian reasons for them to exist. Nonetheless, they inherently act as a moth-flame to specifically those people that are banned from more mainstream platforms; after all, what motivation would non-controversial communities have to migrate? I absolutely the right of such platforms to exist, but from Voat, to Gab, to now Parler, in practice they quickly skew towards conspiracies and "hate speech" and the like. I consider SSC's heterodox "Culture War Thread" [0] to be the canonical case study in this pattern: "It's very easy to remove spam, bots, racial slurs, low-effort trolls, and abuse... But once you remove all those things, you're left with people honestly and civilly arguing for their opinions. And that's the scariest thing of all." [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread...
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago

blisterpeanuts 6y ago

> "the things people post there" You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. I would also note that there's been plenty of talk of violence against conservatives on left-leaning platforms, Twitter especially but many others. These people are never called out even if they talk about "rounding them up and putting them in camps" and similar Nazi-like talk, even killing them seems to be permissible. I've reported lots of such tweets and sometimes they're taken down, other times, not.

MauranKilom 6y ago
> You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. Do they also condemn or apply moderation to violence being advocated? Or is it condoned? Honest question, I have not even remotely invested enough time (nor do I plan to do so) to understand this facet. > I've reported lots of such tweets and sometimes they're taken down, other times, not. I agree that such messages should be taken down and condemned just the same.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  I'm saying that violence is not condoned on the Parler platform. I was a moderator for a while and this is quite specific. You can get on there and say Trump is an idiot or Trump is a saint and you will not be silenced. But you can't say "so-and-so should be killed" that's a total violation of TOS and will get you removed from the site.
  - jusssi 6y ago
    I'm not familiar with Parler, but places like that in general, people just find the closest of threat / incite that passes moderation. And everyone who frequents there knows what is implied. My personal "favorite" of such: "this country is not safe for you". Not a threat, just stating a fact.
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Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

Your anecdote is irrelevant, You can find all kinds of deranged behaviour on any platform. Speaking of gatekeepers, however, I wonder, how soon Google and Apple will boot Parler from their AppStores?

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Called it: "BREAKING: Apple is currently threatening to ban Parler -- the free speech alternative to Twitter -- unless the service enacts draconian censorship policies demanded by left-wing Big Tech oligarchs, according to two sources familiar with Apple's threats." [1]: https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1347660160806825984 https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1347660160806825984