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It’s OK to enjoy doing things that are mildly dangerous. You don’t have to live your life in a cushioned bubble.

by centimeter 6y ago

turbinerneiter 6y ago
It's not ok to enjoy things that are dangerous to _other_ people. I ride a motorcycle btw.
- centimeter 6y ago
  > It's not ok to enjoy things that are dangerous to _other_ people. Almost every activity you could possibly do, including being alive, has some negative risk externality to other people. E.g. if you are alive, you are more likely to spread a disease to someone else than if you are dead and buried in the ground. If you drive anywhere, you might possibly run into someone, but if you stayed at home they'd be safe. If your philosophy is "you can never do anything that's dangerous to someone else", it's a hopelessly bad zeroth-order approximation that would completely cripple you if you actually followed it.
  - turbinerneiter 6y ago
    You are talking about racing on public streets. The risk of hurting someone in an accident due to a mistake is very different to the risk of hurting someone after you decided it's ok to race on public streets because you believe that you are such an awesome driver. Everyone in the road has accepted a certain risk of accidents happening. If you increase everyone else's risk by racing, you are being a selfish prick. There is no way to wave this away with "it's ok to take risk for fun" or "risk is inherent to live". You are talking about risking other people's lives for a thrill, that you could easily get differently, without risking the live of bystanders! You can literally race the lemons 500 with an investment of 500 bucks!
    - centimeter 6y ago
      > The risk of hurting someone in an accident due to a mistake is very different to ... Source? I really doubt this is true, due to selection effects. In any case, my original proposal was to specifically allocate road usage to different license classes at different times, which would help address your concern. > If you increase everyone else's risk by racing, you are being a selfish prick. Replace "racing" with "driving" and the statement doesn't meaningfully change. > You are talking about risking other people's lives for a thrill, that you could easily get differently Every single thing you can possibly do imposes a negative externality on someone else. "Don't do anything ever" is an idiotic approach to address this. A much more reasonable approach is to manage risk, e.g. by sectioning off road access sometimes like I proposed.

It’s OK to enjoy doing things that are mildly dangerous. You don’t have to live your life in a cushioned bubble.

turbinerneiter 6y ago

It's not ok to enjoy things that are dangerous to _other_ people. I ride a motorcycle btw.

centimeter 6y ago
> It's not ok to enjoy things that are dangerous to _other_ people. Almost every activity you could possibly do, including being alive, has some negative risk externality to other people. E.g. if you are alive, you are more likely to spread a disease to someone else than if you are dead and buried in the ground. If you drive anywhere, you might possibly run into someone, but if you stayed at home they'd be safe. If your philosophy is "you can never do anything that's dangerous to someone else", it's a hopelessly bad zeroth-order approximation that would completely cripple you if you actually followed it.
- turbinerneiter 6y ago
  You are talking about racing on public streets. The risk of hurting someone in an accident due to a mistake is very different to the risk of hurting someone after you decided it's ok to race on public streets because you believe that you are such an awesome driver. Everyone in the road has accepted a certain risk of accidents happening. If you increase everyone else's risk by racing, you are being a selfish prick. There is no way to wave this away with "it's ok to take risk for fun" or "risk is inherent to live". You are talking about risking other people's lives for a thrill, that you could easily get differently, without risking the live of bystanders! You can literally race the lemons 500 with an investment of 500 bucks!
  - centimeter 6y ago
    > The risk of hurting someone in an accident due to a mistake is very different to ... Source? I really doubt this is true, due to selection effects. In any case, my original proposal was to specifically allocate road usage to different license classes at different times, which would help address your concern. > If you increase everyone else's risk by racing, you are being a selfish prick. Replace "racing" with "driving" and the statement doesn't meaningfully change. > You are talking about risking other people's lives for a thrill, that you could easily get differently Every single thing you can possibly do imposes a negative externality on someone else. "Don't do anything ever" is an idiotic approach to address this. A much more reasonable approach is to manage risk, e.g. by sectioning off road access sometimes like I proposed.