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> Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same

> Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same thing, and no one has been able to. Of course, that won't stop the narrative, because truth has become irrelevant. EDIT: I find it amusing that even the people that have responded to you so far, still haven't actually cited anything yet.

bdamm 6y ago
Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  They are sea-lioning. They are going to constantly ask for "evidence", and then when provided for it, act as if it's biased/false/non-existant and then restate the question. The goal is to put all the labor of the conversation and gathering of sources onto you while they just get to reply: "I don't believe that, the MSM is biased, show me another source".
  - Exuma 6y ago
    Are you claiming MSM isn't biased?
    - netsharc 6y ago
      x86_64Ubuntu forgot to add "or they'll change the topic".
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      Are you claiming specifically biased-right-wing <insert journal name> isn't biased? MSM (CNN, CNBC, MSNBC) is 10% as biased (to the left), Fox (probably 50% biased to the right), etc. Least biased is probably Reuters, AP, and PBS, and maybe NPR. Local news is usually not so biased either. But Washington Times, Breitbart, Random Youtube Vlogger, etc...none of those can be trusted. That's why they're never linked to on Hackernews, except maybe in comments, I'd imagine. They're basically tabloids. Good to cross-reference with Snopes or Politifact if you are curious what's true. Personally, I like to read multiple sources and google a topic to get a better picture to see other 'takes'. Only way to not get bubble/group think.
      - Exuma 6y ago
        No I'm not claiming that even remotely. I'm claiming when you can't look to MSM for "real" news, you have to try to find it elsewhere, which unfortunately has it's own problems. The fact you think NPR isn't biased automatically means you really have no idea how ridiculously biased it actually is.
cbg0 6y ago
You're either lazy or willfully ignorant, here's him showing support for the protest in some deleted tweets: https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1345088187811700748.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13450881... https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1346954970910707712.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13469549... https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1346900434540240897.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13469004... Here's a video that he posted after the events at the capitol that was deleted where he keeps suggesting the election was stolen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s
- Exuma 6y ago
  Terrible examples, the 3rd one was after the event, the first one literally isn't inciting anything unless you have a sheer irrational hatred for trump and only see things through an incredibly one dimensional, emotional POV where he can't even scratch his chin without it upsetting you.
netsharc 6y ago
“We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol,” said Mr. Trump. “We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” From https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-... I'm going to presume the WSJ did their work properly and you can watch him say those words in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc - that's a 70 minute long speech claiming (not in the exact words) "we have been defrauded!" and then saying those words. Make a less-than-intelligent, not-shy-to-use-violence (should I cite the demographics of Trump voters for you?), crowd mad and then tell them "We're going to go there and give them a piece of our mind.", geez, what do you expect was going to happen? No, he never uttered "I want you to go there and beat up the cops with anything you find, break the windows, vandalize the building, and terrorize those lawmakers so they put me back into power.", he's smart enough to never explicitly say things that will get him in trouble, just like the 11780 phone call or asking Comey to back off from Michael Flynn.
drm237 6y ago
"And after this, we're going to walk down there, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down ... to the Capitol and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women," Trump told the crowd. "And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong." He told people to go to the capital, "take back our country", and you can't do it with weakness, you need to do it with strength. That seems pretty straightforward to me. And he did it all while fanning the flames by repeating discredited conspiracy theories that he knows plays to the people in attendance.

bdamm 6y ago

Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
They are sea-lioning. They are going to constantly ask for "evidence", and then when provided for it, act as if it's biased/false/non-existant and then restate the question. The goal is to put all the labor of the conversation and gathering of sources onto you while they just get to reply: "I don't believe that, the MSM is biased, show me another source".
- Exuma 6y ago
  Are you claiming MSM isn't biased?
  - netsharc 6y ago
    x86_64Ubuntu forgot to add "or they'll change the topic".
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    Are you claiming specifically biased-right-wing <insert journal name> isn't biased? MSM (CNN, CNBC, MSNBC) is 10% as biased (to the left), Fox (probably 50% biased to the right), etc. Least biased is probably Reuters, AP, and PBS, and maybe NPR. Local news is usually not so biased either. But Washington Times, Breitbart, Random Youtube Vlogger, etc...none of those can be trusted. That's why they're never linked to on Hackernews, except maybe in comments, I'd imagine. They're basically tabloids. Good to cross-reference with Snopes or Politifact if you are curious what's true. Personally, I like to read multiple sources and google a topic to get a better picture to see other 'takes'. Only way to not get bubble/group think.
    - Exuma 6y ago
      No I'm not claiming that even remotely. I'm claiming when you can't look to MSM for "real" news, you have to try to find it elsewhere, which unfortunately has it's own problems. The fact you think NPR isn't biased automatically means you really have no idea how ridiculously biased it actually is.

cbg0 6y ago

You're either lazy or willfully ignorant, here's him showing support for the protest in some deleted tweets: https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1345088187811700748.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13450881... https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1346954970910707712.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13469549... https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1346900434540240897.jpg https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/13469004... Here's a video that he posted after the events at the capitol that was deleted where he keeps suggesting the election was stolen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s

Exuma 6y ago
Terrible examples, the 3rd one was after the event, the first one literally isn't inciting anything unless you have a sheer irrational hatred for trump and only see things through an incredibly one dimensional, emotional POV where he can't even scratch his chin without it upsetting you.

netsharc 6y ago

“We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol,” said Mr. Trump. “We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” From https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-... I'm going to presume the WSJ did their work properly and you can watch him say those words in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc - that's a 70 minute long speech claiming (not in the exact words) "we have been defrauded!" and then saying those words. Make a less-than-intelligent, not-shy-to-use-violence (should I cite the demographics of Trump voters for you?), crowd mad and then tell them "We're going to go there and give them a piece of our mind.", geez, what do you expect was going to happen? No, he never uttered "I want you to go there and beat up the cops with anything you find, break the windows, vandalize the building, and terrorize those lawmakers so they put me back into power.", he's smart enough to never explicitly say things that will get him in trouble, just like the 11780 phone call or asking Comey to back off from Michael Flynn.

drm237 6y ago

"And after this, we're going to walk down there, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down ... to the Capitol and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women," Trump told the crowd. "And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong." He told people to go to the capital, "take back our country", and you can't do it with weakness, you need to do it with strength. That seems pretty straightforward to me. And he did it all while fanning the flames by repeating discredited conspiracy theories that he knows plays to the people in attendance.