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I'm a Tesla bear, but I know better than to bet against it. Arguably, Tesla's implied success is priced into to these other car companies. A lot of these compan

I'm a Tesla bear, but I know better than to bet against it. Arguably, Tesla's implied success is priced into to these other car companies. A lot of these companies are behind on electric cars, Toyota in particular.

camjohnson26 6y ago
Tesla’s product is the stock, pure and simple. Everything they do from rushing the model Y, causing its lead engineer to leave the company, to battery day, autonomy day, $420 funding secured, the solar city merger, the semi, roadster, FSD, all of these exist to support the stock price and nothing else.
- vkou 6y ago
  Arguably, the solar city merger was about bailing out Musk's personal holdings in a failing business.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    With the end goal of maintaining the brand of Musk’s companies and pushing the stock price higher. If SolarCity had gone bankrupt, which it should have, Musk’s whole empire would have been in jeopardy
    - itsoktocry 6y ago
      >Musk’s whole empire would have been in jeopardy He says this himself in the SolarCity lawsuit deposition, I believe.
  - worker767424 6y ago
    That deal was incredibly sketchy. His cousin was the CEO, right?
    - xkjkls 6y ago
      Yes, an Elon and his brother owned debt in SolarCity both personally and through other business ventures (SpaceX owned $100 mn in SolarCity debt at the time).
      - camjohnson26 6y ago
        Court filings that have been released show that SolarCity was approaching bankruptcy, and that Musk faked the solar roof presentation to sell the deal to Tesla shareholders. The homes shown at the event were non functional.
MrRiddle 6y ago
How is Toyota in particular behind when they’re probably first with plug-in and regular hybrids? And they seem to make the best there is. I feel like Toyota will release EV Corolla and stop this whole nonsense with Tesla. Hell, even VW took a huge chunk from Tesla in Europe with just couple models.

camjohnson26 6y ago

Tesla’s product is the stock, pure and simple. Everything they do from rushing the model Y, causing its lead engineer to leave the company, to battery day, autonomy day, $420 funding secured, the solar city merger, the semi, roadster, FSD, all of these exist to support the stock price and nothing else.

vkou 6y ago
Arguably, the solar city merger was about bailing out Musk's personal holdings in a failing business.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  With the end goal of maintaining the brand of Musk’s companies and pushing the stock price higher. If SolarCity had gone bankrupt, which it should have, Musk’s whole empire would have been in jeopardy
  - itsoktocry 6y ago
    >Musk’s whole empire would have been in jeopardy He says this himself in the SolarCity lawsuit deposition, I believe.
- worker767424 6y ago
  That deal was incredibly sketchy. His cousin was the CEO, right?
  - xkjkls 6y ago
    Yes, an Elon and his brother owned debt in SolarCity both personally and through other business ventures (SpaceX owned $100 mn in SolarCity debt at the time).
    - camjohnson26 6y ago
      Court filings that have been released show that SolarCity was approaching bankruptcy, and that Musk faked the solar roof presentation to sell the deal to Tesla shareholders. The homes shown at the event were non functional.

MrRiddle 6y ago

How is Toyota in particular behind when they’re probably first with plug-in and regular hybrids? And they seem to make the best there is. I feel like Toyota will release EV Corolla and stop this whole nonsense with Tesla. Hell, even VW took a huge chunk from Tesla in Europe with just couple models.