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It's really annoying that WhatsApp chat export isn't available in Germany. I used to export my chats as backup and for creating fun stats for group chats with f

by elaus 6y ago

It's really annoying that WhatsApp chat export isn't available in Germany. I used to export my chats as backup and for creating fun stats for group chats with friends, but that feature got removed about a year ago. I haven't found a way to circumvent this restriction. There were some tricks like installing a modified Russion WhatsApp APK but that risk didn't seem worth it.

plibither8 6y ago
Was there any reason provided for the removal? I think it should in fact be essential in EU where they must follow. GDPR regulations and allow users to export their data easily.
- looperhacks 6y ago
  Chat history isn't stored server side, so gdpr doesn't apply here.
  - Aachen 6y ago
    I always wondered about that. If a closed source app keeps my data in their silo, but I own the hardware their software runs on, I can't do anything with GDPR? Aren't they the controller if they run the software?
    - plibither8 6y ago
      Exactly. We're not owners of that data, they are. Should be an extension of the regulations IMHO.
      - Aachen 6y ago
        That's also my "HO" but I was more wondering how to interpret this from a legal perspective. I've read large parts of the GDPR law but don't (at least off the top of my head) remember anything that would say either way.
- elaus 6y ago
  There is a pending patent dispute with Blackberry and a German court ordered them to remove the chat export for German users.
  - gaius_baltar 6y ago
    > There is a pending patent dispute with Blackberry and a German court ordered them to remove the chat export for German users. A patent on backup up files?! Oh frak this system is broken beyond repair...
  - Merman_Mike 6y ago
    For anyone curious, some googling found me this: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/1014#issuecomment-756751754 https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/1014#issu... > This feature is unavailable in Germany due to patent concerns: > https://www.teltarif.de/whatsapp-chat-exportieren-iphone/news/79156.html https://www.teltarif.de/whatsapp-chat-exportieren-iphone/new... (article in German)
  - kangalioo 6y ago
    For anyone wondering about the specifics: "For example, there was a dispute about whether Whatsapp uses a technology that Blackberry holds a patent on when sending a chat history to a third party via email." (translated via Deepl, source https://t3n.de/news/gericht-verbietet-apps-whatsapp-1231364/ https://t3n.de/news/gericht-verbietet-apps-whatsapp-1231364/) The actual legal claims are in this document: http://docs.dpaq.de/13322-031127684372.pdf http://docs.dpaq.de/13322-031127684372.pdf
IkmoIkmo 6y ago
It was just the last 10k lines right? That used to just be a few months of backup chats with my girlfriend. I'd have to have made about 20 different backups (and somehow time them right) over time and pieced them together to get a full picture. And then it'd still be text-only.
4814 6y ago
Faced the same problem a couple weeks ago. I ended up paying for this chrome extension which crawls them from the web client and worked for me: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/backup-whatsapp-chats/gmbicfpadlmgkfhfepknbmemfhahelll https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/backup-whatsapp-ch... A shame that WhatsApp had to remove that feature.

by elaus 6y ago

plibither8 6y ago

Was there any reason provided for the removal? I think it should in fact be essential in EU where they must follow. GDPR regulations and allow users to export their data easily.

looperhacks 6y ago
Chat history isn't stored server side, so gdpr doesn't apply here.
- Aachen 6y ago
  I always wondered about that. If a closed source app keeps my data in their silo, but I own the hardware their software runs on, I can't do anything with GDPR? Aren't they the controller if they run the software?
  - plibither8 6y ago
    Exactly. We're not owners of that data, they are. Should be an extension of the regulations IMHO.
    - Aachen 6y ago
      That's also my "HO" but I was more wondering how to interpret this from a legal perspective. I've read large parts of the GDPR law but don't (at least off the top of my head) remember anything that would say either way.
elaus 6y ago
There is a pending patent dispute with Blackberry and a German court ordered them to remove the chat export for German users.
- gaius_baltar 6y ago
  > There is a pending patent dispute with Blackberry and a German court ordered them to remove the chat export for German users. A patent on backup up files?! Oh frak this system is broken beyond repair...
- Merman_Mike 6y ago
  For anyone curious, some googling found me this: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/1014#issuecomment-756751754 https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/1014#issu... > This feature is unavailable in Germany due to patent concerns: > https://www.teltarif.de/whatsapp-chat-exportieren-iphone/news/79156.html https://www.teltarif.de/whatsapp-chat-exportieren-iphone/new... (article in German)
- kangalioo 6y ago
  For anyone wondering about the specifics: "For example, there was a dispute about whether Whatsapp uses a technology that Blackberry holds a patent on when sending a chat history to a third party via email." (translated via Deepl, source https://t3n.de/news/gericht-verbietet-apps-whatsapp-1231364/ https://t3n.de/news/gericht-verbietet-apps-whatsapp-1231364/) The actual legal claims are in this document: http://docs.dpaq.de/13322-031127684372.pdf http://docs.dpaq.de/13322-031127684372.pdf

IkmoIkmo 6y ago

It was just the last 10k lines right? That used to just be a few months of backup chats with my girlfriend. I'd have to have made about 20 different backups (and somehow time them right) over time and pieced them together to get a full picture. And then it'd still be text-only.

4814 6y ago

Faced the same problem a couple weeks ago. I ended up paying for this chrome extension which crawls them from the web client and worked for me: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/backup-whatsapp-chats/gmbicfpadlmgkfhfepknbmemfhahelll https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/backup-whatsapp-ch... A shame that WhatsApp had to remove that feature.