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>iMessage seems to be a bit dishonest Maybe I misinterpret the idea behind this list. To me, its not listing all the things that the company knows about you,

>iMessage seems to be a bit dishonest Maybe I misinterpret the idea behind this list. To me, its not listing all the things that the company knows about you, its listing all the information that app reads about you. In other terms, this is what Apple knows when I disable the iCloud and only use iMessage. And this is what Facebook knows when I only use it though that messenger and nothing else.

whoisjuan 6y ago
That’s not it at all. If you have iMessage in your phone it’s completely tied to Apple whole data gathering context because your phone is made by Apple. I understand what you’re saying. If the App is only collecting certain amount of information on its own, then they should only list that right? ... But that’s unfair with the rest of the vendors because they are forced to list everything they track, while iMessage obscures it by saying “the app doesn’t collect anything”...yet the phone is and iMessage is the default messaging system for iOS. I’m a loyal Apple user but this is anti-competitive behavior. As much as I love Apple’s privacy focus, it seems that they’re using it as a proxy to unfairly compete with other companies and claim that they only care about the end’s user privacy, which is clearly not true. Apple does and will use your data to push Apple products. They should be transparent about that.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Anti-competitive for what? Apple's News+ advertising empire? App Store advertising? Is there any evidence at all that they cross pollinate data in either of these contexts? If so, it certainly isn't clear based on the advertising I see in News+ Much of the stuff you are complaining about is "collected" because it's needed by other services. The real question is whether the data is reasonably siloed and how easy it is for Apple or third party's (governments, etc) to access and abuse.
- pertymcpert 6y ago
  > Apple does and will use your data to push Apple products. They should be transparent about that. Explain how?

whoisjuan 6y ago

That’s not it at all. If you have iMessage in your phone it’s completely tied to Apple whole data gathering context because your phone is made by Apple. I understand what you’re saying. If the App is only collecting certain amount of information on its own, then they should only list that right? ... But that’s unfair with the rest of the vendors because they are forced to list everything they track, while iMessage obscures it by saying “the app doesn’t collect anything”...yet the phone is and iMessage is the default messaging system for iOS. I’m a loyal Apple user but this is anti-competitive behavior. As much as I love Apple’s privacy focus, it seems that they’re using it as a proxy to unfairly compete with other companies and claim that they only care about the end’s user privacy, which is clearly not true. Apple does and will use your data to push Apple products. They should be transparent about that.

ogre_codes 6y ago
Anti-competitive for what? Apple's News+ advertising empire? App Store advertising? Is there any evidence at all that they cross pollinate data in either of these contexts? If so, it certainly isn't clear based on the advertising I see in News+ Much of the stuff you are complaining about is "collected" because it's needed by other services. The real question is whether the data is reasonably siloed and how easy it is for Apple or third party's (governments, etc) to access and abuse.
pertymcpert 6y ago
> Apple does and will use your data to push Apple products. They should be transparent about that. Explain how?