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Dominion Voting Systems sues pro-Trump lawyer, seeking more than $1.3B

59 points by sahin 6y ago

CurtHagenlocher 6y ago
A direct link to the court filing: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/... Reading it was entertaining.
- auslegung 6y ago
  That’s good stuff. Now if only consequences would come about for everyone else involved in the attempt to overthrow our democracy.
- openasocket 6y ago
  Lot of links to various crazy media outlets and tweets in there citing Sidney Powell and pushing conspiracy theories. I mostly skimmed, but I think my "favorite" was a tweet that said "Dominion comes from Venezuela and Venezuela is like a Swedish colony. What Sweden or rather what someone controls..." I really don't know what to make of that
mywittyname 6y ago
> Poulos said he would like the case to go to trial rather than settle. Damn straight. As an aside, I wish settlements were public record.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  In this case, I'd assume the whole point is to go to trial. They're not actually going to recover anything like their real damages from the lawyer, so their best avenue is to very publicly demonstrate that they were lied about.
jessaustin 6y ago
On one side, a grifter taking cynical advantage of baseless, war-media-stoked fears of Venezuela in addition to numerous other baseless and racist conspiracy theories. On the other side, a secretive foreign firm that makes millions foisting unaudited closed-source voting machines on clueless municipalities. Frankly, I hope they both lose.
- auslegung 6y ago
  Secretive foreign firm? Aren’t they Canadian? Not that Canada isn’t foreign but it’s basically impossible to read what you wrote without a hateful, distrusting tone that assumes non Americans are bad. And how are they secretive in any way that’s relevant to their ability to build and maintain verifiable machines?
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    There are many aspects of government that non-Americans are prohibited from participating in. It has nothing to do with all non-Americans being bad and all Americans being good, but it's a decent first-level screening method. Kind of like requiring a college degree in a job listing.
  - jariel 6y ago
    They were founded in Toronto but they are American. The notion that there's any degree of shadiness about them is completely unwarranted. The company and tech are perfectly legit. If there are any 'issues' at all with the election, it's more rooted in the fact that the US can't very easily identify people, doesn't know who is dead, who is alive, and who are actual residents. If you dig into the 'voter roll purging' issue in Georgia, it reveals that much of the problems derive from the grey areas there. That said, the elections are clean and fair, these ambiguities don't provide necessary for widespread fraud.
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      They have a US HQ in Denver, but it's absurd to say that they are American: "Dominion Voting Systems Corp (Canada) owns 100% of Dominion Voting Systems, Inc (US Subsidiary)." Source: https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/dominion-voting/part-2.pdf https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/dominion-voting/part-2....
spamizbad 6y ago
Lawsuit is fully justified. Their reputation was (needlessly) destroyed. I don't think you could ever get a Dominion machine approved in the current political climate for the foreseeable future. They'll likely need a rebrand to survive.
- dariusj18 6y ago
  This is exactly why defamation is a thing. If this doesn't end up with a ruling for Dominion, I'm not sure who has a case.
VikingCoder 6y ago
I'm really struggling to have empathy with people who blame Dominion for changing votes in the 2020 General Election. There was a hand recount in Georgia, was there not? And the numbers agreed with what had been counted by Dominion? If you accept that the hand recount matched (within a reasonable margin of error) the count from the Dominion machines, what exactly is the rest of their objection or concern? Honestly, can someone explain this to me?
- xnx 6y ago
  The simplest explanation is the right one. The losing party does not accept their loss and will promote any idea that can invalidate the outcome. The judgement of dozens of court cases has been that none of these ideas have any merit.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    > The simplest explanation is the right one. [...] Occam's actual razor is that the simplest explanation of competing theories is most likely the right one.
    - jfengel 6y ago
      Occam's actual razor is Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate ("Never posit plurality without necessity").
      - OJFord 6y ago
        Touché, mea culpa, et alia!
  - deathlight 6y ago
    The story I heard is that most of these lawsuits are not being judged as BS on the merits (though some have). The majority are being thrown out using a variety of legal doctrines such as laches or standing. This is not necessarily unusual as court proceedings go, but the unfortunate side effect of doing this is that the ardent faithful will now have a lost-cause narrative to fall back on when everything else has been mowed clear. I would prefer more of these cases to actually be tried so that they can be obliterated on the merits. Each case that is thrown out on a technicality is another tiny lilypad to stand on, and each case that is actually refuted is the removal of that pad.
illustriousbear 6y ago
On one hand Trump and his team deserve to lose this case. On the other hand, I hope it doesn’t silence future complaints. Protecting against defamation is important but it is more important that those who think they have genuine complaints about an election process aren’t scared into silence.

59 points by sahin 6y ago

A direct link to the court filing: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/... Reading it was entertaining.

auslegung 6y ago
That’s good stuff. Now if only consequences would come about for everyone else involved in the attempt to overthrow our democracy.
openasocket 6y ago
Lot of links to various crazy media outlets and tweets in there citing Sidney Powell and pushing conspiracy theories. I mostly skimmed, but I think my "favorite" was a tweet that said "Dominion comes from Venezuela and Venezuela is like a Swedish colony. What Sweden or rather what someone controls..." I really don't know what to make of that

mywittyname 6y ago

> Poulos said he would like the case to go to trial rather than settle. Damn straight. As an aside, I wish settlements were public record.

rsynnott 6y ago
In this case, I'd assume the whole point is to go to trial. They're not actually going to recover anything like their real damages from the lawyer, so their best avenue is to very publicly demonstrate that they were lied about.

jessaustin 6y ago

On one side, a grifter taking cynical advantage of baseless, war-media-stoked fears of Venezuela in addition to numerous other baseless and racist conspiracy theories. On the other side, a secretive foreign firm that makes millions foisting unaudited closed-source voting machines on clueless municipalities. Frankly, I hope they both lose.

auslegung 6y ago
Secretive foreign firm? Aren’t they Canadian? Not that Canada isn’t foreign but it’s basically impossible to read what you wrote without a hateful, distrusting tone that assumes non Americans are bad. And how are they secretive in any way that’s relevant to their ability to build and maintain verifiable machines?
- jaywalk 6y ago
  There are many aspects of government that non-Americans are prohibited from participating in. It has nothing to do with all non-Americans being bad and all Americans being good, but it's a decent first-level screening method. Kind of like requiring a college degree in a job listing.
- jariel 6y ago
  They were founded in Toronto but they are American. The notion that there's any degree of shadiness about them is completely unwarranted. The company and tech are perfectly legit. If there are any 'issues' at all with the election, it's more rooted in the fact that the US can't very easily identify people, doesn't know who is dead, who is alive, and who are actual residents. If you dig into the 'voter roll purging' issue in Georgia, it reveals that much of the problems derive from the grey areas there. That said, the elections are clean and fair, these ambiguities don't provide necessary for widespread fraud.
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    They have a US HQ in Denver, but it's absurd to say that they are American: "Dominion Voting Systems Corp (Canada) owns 100% of Dominion Voting Systems, Inc (US Subsidiary)." Source: https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/dominion-voting/part-2.pdf https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/dominion-voting/part-2....

spamizbad 6y ago

Lawsuit is fully justified. Their reputation was (needlessly) destroyed. I don't think you could ever get a Dominion machine approved in the current political climate for the foreseeable future. They'll likely need a rebrand to survive.

dariusj18 6y ago
This is exactly why defamation is a thing. If this doesn't end up with a ruling for Dominion, I'm not sure who has a case.

VikingCoder 6y ago

I'm really struggling to have empathy with people who blame Dominion for changing votes in the 2020 General Election. There was a hand recount in Georgia, was there not? And the numbers agreed with what had been counted by Dominion? If you accept that the hand recount matched (within a reasonable margin of error) the count from the Dominion machines, what exactly is the rest of their objection or concern? Honestly, can someone explain this to me?

xnx 6y ago
The simplest explanation is the right one. The losing party does not accept their loss and will promote any idea that can invalidate the outcome. The judgement of dozens of court cases has been that none of these ideas have any merit.
- OJFord 6y ago
  > The simplest explanation is the right one. [...] Occam's actual razor is that the simplest explanation of competing theories is most likely the right one.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    Occam's actual razor is Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate ("Never posit plurality without necessity").
    - OJFord 6y ago
      Touché, mea culpa, et alia!
- deathlight 6y ago
  The story I heard is that most of these lawsuits are not being judged as BS on the merits (though some have). The majority are being thrown out using a variety of legal doctrines such as laches or standing. This is not necessarily unusual as court proceedings go, but the unfortunate side effect of doing this is that the ardent faithful will now have a lost-cause narrative to fall back on when everything else has been mowed clear. I would prefer more of these cases to actually be tried so that they can be obliterated on the merits. Each case that is thrown out on a technicality is another tiny lilypad to stand on, and each case that is actually refuted is the removal of that pad.

illustriousbear 6y ago

On one hand Trump and his team deserve to lose this case. On the other hand, I hope it doesn’t silence future complaints. Protecting against defamation is important but it is more important that those who think they have genuine complaints about an election process aren’t scared into silence.