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I think the difference is that you are paying Apple to not abuse your privacy. With Facebook, you know you are trading some amount of privacy, but these new lab

I think the difference is that you are paying Apple to not abuse your privacy. With Facebook, you know you are trading some amount of privacy, but these new labels make it clear just what that true cost is.

gen220 6y ago
I agree with this take, and it's the same take I share with friends and colleagues. It's certainly better than FB. However, are we sure that Apple, in 30 years, will be the same proponent of privacy that they are today? Even if there's a 10% risk that they won't, they'll have your same data then that they have now. Strong encryption with user-owned keys is the only way you can mitigate against this scenario. I'm optimistic that we'll get there eventually, but we aren't there yet.
- freewilly1040 6y ago
  The data they collect today will be worthless for advertising purposes in 30 days, much less 30 years.
  - gen220 6y ago
    Yeah, but the data can be used for many purposes other than advertising.
meowster 6y ago
"you are paying Apple to not abuse" you That sounds like a familiar business model. Granted I pay for an email service that could similarly abuse me. I think the goal should be to create services/software that make it impossible for a company to abuse people, so we don't have to rely on their word, or have to worry about them changing their word later.
KaiserPro 6y ago
I am paying to trust apple with my data. Much more sensitive data than I share with Facebook. I don't give facebook my health, location or payment details. Apple gets all of that and extracts a fee. I don't give a shit about advertising, advertising is always about the aggregate. What I care about is someone getting access to my data directly to do something with it. For me, my main fear is hackers and corrupt insiders. Facebook is going to spend the next five years transforming from a naive company that is/was loosey goosey with peoples data, to I suspect a fee extracting privacy first AR platform. You might laugh, but look at microsoft, look how they have changed.

gen220 6y ago

I agree with this take, and it's the same take I share with friends and colleagues. It's certainly better than FB. However, are we sure that Apple, in 30 years, will be the same proponent of privacy that they are today? Even if there's a 10% risk that they won't, they'll have your same data then that they have now. Strong encryption with user-owned keys is the only way you can mitigate against this scenario. I'm optimistic that we'll get there eventually, but we aren't there yet.

freewilly1040 6y ago
The data they collect today will be worthless for advertising purposes in 30 days, much less 30 years.
- gen220 6y ago
  Yeah, but the data can be used for many purposes other than advertising.

meowster 6y ago

"you are paying Apple to not abuse" you That sounds like a familiar business model. Granted I pay for an email service that could similarly abuse me. I think the goal should be to create services/software that make it impossible for a company to abuse people, so we don't have to rely on their word, or have to worry about them changing their word later.

KaiserPro 6y ago

I am paying to trust apple with my data. Much more sensitive data than I share with Facebook. I don't give facebook my health, location or payment details. Apple gets all of that and extracts a fee. I don't give a shit about advertising, advertising is always about the aggregate. What I care about is someone getting access to my data directly to do something with it. For me, my main fear is hackers and corrupt insiders. Facebook is going to spend the next five years transforming from a naive company that is/was loosey goosey with peoples data, to I suspect a fee extracting privacy first AR platform. You might laugh, but look at microsoft, look how they have changed.