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Apple is cheating which is the whole point of their privacy PR push. They don't need those permissions for iMessage as they get the data from other sources, lik

by Daho0n 6y ago

Apple is cheating which is the whole point of their privacy PR push. They don't need those permissions for iMessage as they get the data from other sources, like iCloud, unique advertising ID, IMEI, phone number, etc. I'm amazed how even HN users eat this PR raw without a second of doubt. Apple is abusing their market position (100%) to further their own advertisement platform.

FabHK 6y ago
This is not about permissions, but usage, AFAIK. Do you have any evidence for any cheating?
toomuchtodo 6y ago
Apple isn’t selling my data to advertisers, and I personally believe Facebook and it’s business model are abhorrent. If they can’t yet be legislated out of existence, I’ll happily take Apple’s efforts in the interim.
- mrlala 6y ago
  >Apple isn’t selling my data to advertisers Yeah, they are instead setting up a walled garden of fuck you. I'm not sure how you can argue it's any better. It's a different class of issues for sure, but it's still bullshit. They intentionally make communication more complicated with non-Apple devices so everyone will buy their expensive hardware.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    I pay for the walled garden. You are free to patron other businesses with different models if you prefer.
    - mrlala 6y ago
      >I pay for the walled garden. Good for you. If non-Apple people didn't need to communicate with Apple people, there is no issue. But that's not how things work obviously. Apple is INTENTIONALLY making it difficult for non-Apple people to work with Apple people. My mom is 100% apple, and she literally has problems receiving texts from non-apple phones. She wants me to buy apple products just to make it easier to talk with her! If you don't see what they are doing you are just plugging your ears and going "lalalala"
      - toomuchtodo 6y ago
        Apple isn’t responsible for SMS infrastructure, and without legislation mandating interoperability, it is what it is. Consider Signal for your cross platform needs. Apple isn’t actively making SMS suck, they’re simply not opening their superior messaging platform to other clients (just as Slack and Discord don’t allow non official clients).
        Daho0n 6y ago
        >Apple isn’t responsible for SMS infrastructure, and without legislation mandating interoperability, it is what it is. What are you talking about? The problem isn't with the SMS infrastructure. It works just fine.
sonotmyname 6y ago
> Apple is abusing their market position (100%) to further their own advertisement platform. Err, what advertising platform? Apple doesn't have an ad platform. Apple doesn't sell data to ad platforms. Apple doesn't do any of the things you're regurgitating here...
- Daho0n 6y ago
  >what advertising platform https://searchads.apple.com/#choose https://searchads.apple.com/#choose They also used to have iAd. >Apple doesn't sell data to ad platforms Who said they sell it? That is the whole point. Just like Google they hoard data and sell targeting but doesn't give out the crown jewels.

by Daho0n 6y ago

FabHK 6y ago

This is not about permissions, but usage, AFAIK. Do you have any evidence for any cheating?

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Apple isn’t selling my data to advertisers, and I personally believe Facebook and it’s business model are abhorrent. If they can’t yet be legislated out of existence, I’ll happily take Apple’s efforts in the interim.

mrlala 6y ago
>Apple isn’t selling my data to advertisers Yeah, they are instead setting up a walled garden of fuck you. I'm not sure how you can argue it's any better. It's a different class of issues for sure, but it's still bullshit. They intentionally make communication more complicated with non-Apple devices so everyone will buy their expensive hardware.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  I pay for the walled garden. You are free to patron other businesses with different models if you prefer.
  - mrlala 6y ago
    >I pay for the walled garden. Good for you. If non-Apple people didn't need to communicate with Apple people, there is no issue. But that's not how things work obviously. Apple is INTENTIONALLY making it difficult for non-Apple people to work with Apple people. My mom is 100% apple, and she literally has problems receiving texts from non-apple phones. She wants me to buy apple products just to make it easier to talk with her! If you don't see what they are doing you are just plugging your ears and going "lalalala"
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Apple isn’t responsible for SMS infrastructure, and without legislation mandating interoperability, it is what it is. Consider Signal for your cross platform needs. Apple isn’t actively making SMS suck, they’re simply not opening their superior messaging platform to other clients (just as Slack and Discord don’t allow non official clients).
      - Daho0n 6y ago
        >Apple isn’t responsible for SMS infrastructure, and without legislation mandating interoperability, it is what it is. What are you talking about? The problem isn't with the SMS infrastructure. It works just fine.

sonotmyname 6y ago

> Apple is abusing their market position (100%) to further their own advertisement platform. Err, what advertising platform? Apple doesn't have an ad platform. Apple doesn't sell data to ad platforms. Apple doesn't do any of the things you're regurgitating here...

Daho0n 6y ago
>what advertising platform https://searchads.apple.com/#choose https://searchads.apple.com/#choose They also used to have iAd. >Apple doesn't sell data to ad platforms Who said they sell it? That is the whole point. Just like Google they hoard data and sell targeting but doesn't give out the crown jewels.