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> That's why I wrote "To me Vim seems...". That's fair. I was left with the impression that you did not think it could be useful to anyone. >Beyond the fact

by nocman 6y ago

> That's why I wrote "To me Vim seems...". That's fair. I was left with the impression that you did not think it could be useful to anyone. >Beyond the fact it's impossible to start using it right away without instruction, everything else is subjective and context-dependent. It is a very different interface. It does not work like other editors. Some people don't like mode-based editing, and thus they will definitely not like it. > How? I tried. This is a common experience for people attempting to learn Vim. Like I said, the learning curve is high. It takes a long time to become proficient. As to how it is worth the investment to me, I think most of the gains come from the fact that it is a keyboard-oriented editor. I can find the piece(s) of a file that I want to edit, and make changes quickly. As 'blackcats' pointed out elsewhere in this thread, vim lets you move around the file quickly. > I also find coding without JetBrains-level smart code completion a waste of time. I use the IdeaVim extension for vim-like keybindings in JetBrains IDEs. It's not perfect, but it implements a fair bit of the keybindings in vim. I understand the desire for code completion, it can be very handy.

qwerty456127 6y ago
> As to how it is worth the investment to me, I think most of the gains come from the fact that it is a keyboard-oriented editor I don't use much mouse when I code in Sublime or PyCharm. > As 'blackcats' pointed out elsewhere in this thread, vim lets you move around the file quickly. All the commands he/she mentioned have classic counterparts with Home/End/etc keys, available pretty much everywhere. I use them a lot even now, writing this comment.
- nocman 6y ago
  > All the commands he/she mentioned have classic counterparts with Home/End/etc keys, available pretty much everywhere. I use them a lot even now, writing this comment. Many of those keys require you to move your hands far from the home row (in ways that make it slower for me to type them). I find that the vim equivalents are easier to touch type. Plus many of the gains are not just in the motion, but in editing commands (as well as combinations of the two). To each his own.

by nocman 6y ago

qwerty456127 6y ago

> As to how it is worth the investment to me, I think most of the gains come from the fact that it is a keyboard-oriented editor I don't use much mouse when I code in Sublime or PyCharm. > As 'blackcats' pointed out elsewhere in this thread, vim lets you move around the file quickly. All the commands he/she mentioned have classic counterparts with Home/End/etc keys, available pretty much everywhere. I use them a lot even now, writing this comment.

nocman 6y ago
> All the commands he/she mentioned have classic counterparts with Home/End/etc keys, available pretty much everywhere. I use them a lot even now, writing this comment. Many of those keys require you to move your hands far from the home row (in ways that make it slower for me to type them). I find that the vim equivalents are easier to touch type. Plus many of the gains are not just in the motion, but in editing commands (as well as combinations of the two). To each his own.