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Except usually developing countries are "behind" thanks to western exploitation. It is really delusional to think that you're helping them by giving them underp

Except usually developing countries are "behind" thanks to western exploitation. It is really delusional to think that you're helping them by giving them underpaid work, while you're just really repeating the pattern that caused their poverty.

harperlee 6y ago
But at an individual level, the alternative of not outsourcing is worse for the person that would receive the wage. At a macro level, I’d also like to point at the China - US outsourcing story, and how it’s going regarding hollowing out of industries, IP and know-how transfer, and plain old money transfer. It’s not going too bad for China for the moment...
- pietrovismara 6y ago
  All thanks to China's economic policy. They managed to suck out the wealth of the west for years, something they could do because they were and are in a privileged position. It is not the same for many other developed countries. In fact if you don't consider China, since 1981 we have 1 billion more poor people in the world.
  - harperlee 6y ago
    They were in the privileged position of earning very little, right? That’s my whole point!
    - pietrovismara 6y ago
      No. Earning very little alone means nothing. Some countries with cheap labor have developed, others have not.
loco5niner 6y ago
> thanks to western exploitation I can believe the exploitation part. There is certainly corruption everywhere which is often part of the cause. But citation needed for the western part please.
- pietrovismara 6y ago
  Just read any modern history? Of course western is reductive, not only western powers are exploitative. But check what western powers did in Africa for example. Check what they do and did in Latin America. In the middle east and part of Asia too. What makes us exploitative is the fact that we go in poor countries and buy their best resources/workforce for the cheapest price possible, without caring if the money we pay even goes to benefit the population, (as often it only goes to benefit a few corrupt politicans/corporations). It's exploitation because we don't really help them get out of poverty but rather condemn them to a vicious circle of being dependent from us.

harperlee 6y ago

But at an individual level, the alternative of not outsourcing is worse for the person that would receive the wage. At a macro level, I’d also like to point at the China - US outsourcing story, and how it’s going regarding hollowing out of industries, IP and know-how transfer, and plain old money transfer. It’s not going too bad for China for the moment...

pietrovismara 6y ago
All thanks to China's economic policy. They managed to suck out the wealth of the west for years, something they could do because they were and are in a privileged position. It is not the same for many other developed countries. In fact if you don't consider China, since 1981 we have 1 billion more poor people in the world.
- harperlee 6y ago
  They were in the privileged position of earning very little, right? That’s my whole point!
  - pietrovismara 6y ago
    No. Earning very little alone means nothing. Some countries with cheap labor have developed, others have not.

loco5niner 6y ago

> thanks to western exploitation I can believe the exploitation part. There is certainly corruption everywhere which is often part of the cause. But citation needed for the western part please.

pietrovismara 6y ago
Just read any modern history? Of course western is reductive, not only western powers are exploitative. But check what western powers did in Africa for example. Check what they do and did in Latin America. In the middle east and part of Asia too. What makes us exploitative is the fact that we go in poor countries and buy their best resources/workforce for the cheapest price possible, without caring if the money we pay even goes to benefit the population, (as often it only goes to benefit a few corrupt politicans/corporations). It's exploitation because we don't really help them get out of poverty but rather condemn them to a vicious circle of being dependent from us.