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What happened meets the dictionary definition of an insurrection completely. It did not appear to be an armed insurrection or an attempted coup, would be diffic

by bregma 6y ago

What happened meets the dictionary definition of an insurrection completely. It did not appear to be an armed insurrection or an attempted coup, would be difficult to file under terrorism, and sedition will be very challenging to prove, but "insurrection" is definitely the correct term to describe what happened.

knodi123 6y ago
> would be difficult to file under terrorism "Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." I dunno man, the attackers had flashbangs, zip ties, molotovs... If the building had to be evacuated, then I'd say it counts as intimidation. It was certainly in pursuit of political aims. I think this counts.
- bregma 6y ago
  I wasn't there, but the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists. I see a lot images of people wandering around inside the building taking selfies and acting like tourists (albiet often poorly-behaved ones going places they shouldn't). In hindsight the evacuation was probably overkill but I acknowledge it was probably the best reaction to a clear and present danger. Like I say, it would be difficult to file under terrorism. You're welcome to try.
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    Not siding which way on the terrorism debate, but have to comment on the: > the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists And say you must not have watched any of the videos then. Here's one example: https://apple.news/AZER7Cgj_RceFCKp74T_oDw https://apple.news/AZER7Cgj_RceFCKp74T_oDw
  - knodi123 6y ago
    I think it's an interesting discussion topic. The people showed up with molotovs, flashbangs, and zipties. That's intent to intimidate, even if the residents managed to get evacuated before we could prove that they weren't just comfort props from people who were merely cosplaying as terrorists. Here's a copy/paste legal definition where I removed a lot of extraneous examples: > Under federal law, the activity or attempted actions which could fall under terrorism charges include: > government official kidnapping; > arson or bombing property; > use of explosives; > attacking a federal facility; > conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim; > take a hostage; > bombing public places; I mean, they brought molotovs and bombs. And zipties. I'd say an attempt was made. Then of course there's the fact that one of them murdered a cop by bashing his head with a fire extinguisher.
alisonkisk 6y ago
They were armed with spears, guns, pipe bombs, and zip ties (for kidnapping/disabling people)

by bregma 6y ago

knodi123 6y ago

> would be difficult to file under terrorism "Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." I dunno man, the attackers had flashbangs, zip ties, molotovs... If the building had to be evacuated, then I'd say it counts as intimidation. It was certainly in pursuit of political aims. I think this counts.

bregma 6y ago
I wasn't there, but the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists. I see a lot images of people wandering around inside the building taking selfies and acting like tourists (albiet often poorly-behaved ones going places they shouldn't). In hindsight the evacuation was probably overkill but I acknowledge it was probably the best reaction to a clear and present danger. Like I say, it would be difficult to file under terrorism. You're welcome to try.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  Not siding which way on the terrorism debate, but have to comment on the: > the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists And say you must not have watched any of the videos then. Here's one example: https://apple.news/AZER7Cgj_RceFCKp74T_oDw https://apple.news/AZER7Cgj_RceFCKp74T_oDw
- knodi123 6y ago
  I think it's an interesting discussion topic. The people showed up with molotovs, flashbangs, and zipties. That's intent to intimidate, even if the residents managed to get evacuated before we could prove that they weren't just comfort props from people who were merely cosplaying as terrorists. Here's a copy/paste legal definition where I removed a lot of extraneous examples: > Under federal law, the activity or attempted actions which could fall under terrorism charges include: > government official kidnapping; > arson or bombing property; > use of explosives; > attacking a federal facility; > conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim; > take a hostage; > bombing public places; I mean, they brought molotovs and bombs. And zipties. I'd say an attempt was made. Then of course there's the fact that one of them murdered a cop by bashing his head with a fire extinguisher.

alisonkisk 6y ago

They were armed with spears, guns, pipe bombs, and zip ties (for kidnapping/disabling people)