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You should probably read the guidelines again. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by sorbus 15y ago

jk4930 15y ago
Where's the problem? This is something I do tell people into their faces (because it's true) and it's not the start of a flamewar but my educated observation (being in politics for more than 16 years). All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. And these are only the obvious points. It gets worse with the fact that most of them are politically naive. They are morons because (political) hackers would consume the existing literature on the social domain first before making stupid proposals that won't work. (Most of their proposals won't work either because they get the incentives wrong or they don't scale.) Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines.
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- jodrellblank 15y ago
  Where's the problem? That "they don't shower and I don't like how they dress so I predicted they are anti-business and they are now crippled and failing hooray, morons" is a terrible argument filled with personal attacks and cliched "geeks don't shower" internet arguments - and they are against the posting guidelines. Also that your comment is content-free. First paragraph: nothing but insults. Second paragraph - an alledged list of their policies presented in a negative way. Third paragraph - empty celebration. The guidelines say "don't say anything you wouldn't say face to face", but that shouldn't mean "if you are rude in real life, feel free to be rude here".
  - jk4930 15y ago
    Well, my observations aren't cliches but come from actual contact with these people. And they aren't geeks, certainly not (that some of them actually wrote some perl programs doesn't make them geeks). My "insults" are factual observations and provide some additional information to form a better picture of the German pirates. And I didn't say they're anti-business because I don't like their dresses but that their appearance is typical for their political agenda and I'm not surprised. That they dress so badly is--especially in the political domain--an important point. That they (okay, some of them, but the few stink for the whole group) don't shower is also negative when they approach people on the streets for handing out information and recruit supporters. They look and behave like an internet joke in RL. When they greet new people with "Aaaaargh!" this is certainly the way to success... I'm not rude. I'm just telling the facts. The political domain is unforgiving and they should be thankful for my feedback.
    - VMG 15y ago
      While I share your viewpoint, your wording is rude and insulting. Also the comment is not exactly on topic, so it is perceived as a typical internet rant from somebody who doesn't read the article. Nothing wrong with smoking pot though.
- sorbus 15y ago
  > All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. From your original comment: > Most of them are obese. And usually don't shower. And don't know how to dress. It's pathetic. > The funny thing is that their agenda was 100% predictable from their physical appearance. Obesity, lack of showering, and bad fashion sense are entirely irrelevant, unless presented as reason that popular opinion will not support them. You also might want to provide citations for those three facts, as it comes off as you being abusive. Being able to predict their agenda from their physical appearance is entirely irrelevant. > Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines. Applicable guidelines: > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. You are primarily insulting them, rather than presenting a well thought out criticism of them and their political views. You have exactly one sentence which comes close to doing so. > Be civil.
  - jk4930 15y ago
    > unless presented as reason that popular opinion will not support them. That was implicitly part of my message, yes. They're certainly not hacking the social perception... > Being able to predict their agenda from their physical appearance is entirely irrelevant. People are visually blocked before they could get to their message. If they want support from more than the usual suspects, then they have to play according to the rules of the social game. If I won't change my "insulting" style, I get downvoted at HN. If they won't change, they won't get upvoted in elections.
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- tlb 15y ago
  I found your comment useful -- I previously had no idea what sort of party the Pirate party was, and you provided a vivid picture of what kind of fringe they are on. The story would have a different color if they were as mainstream as the Green or Libertarian parties in the US.
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You should probably read the guidelines again. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by sorbus 15y ago

You should probably read the guidelines again. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jk4930 15y ago

Where's the problem? This is something I do tell people into their faces (because it's true) and it's not the start of a flamewar but my educated observation (being in politics for more than 16 years). All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. And these are only the obvious points. It gets worse with the fact that most of them are politically naive. They are morons because (political) hackers would consume the existing literature on the social domain first before making stupid proposals that won't work. (Most of their proposals won't work either because they get the incentives wrong or they don't scale.) Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines.

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jodrellblank 15y ago
Where's the problem? That "they don't shower and I don't like how they dress so I predicted they are anti-business and they are now crippled and failing hooray, morons" is a terrible argument filled with personal attacks and cliched "geeks don't shower" internet arguments - and they are against the posting guidelines. Also that your comment is content-free. First paragraph: nothing but insults. Second paragraph - an alledged list of their policies presented in a negative way. Third paragraph - empty celebration. The guidelines say "don't say anything you wouldn't say face to face", but that shouldn't mean "if you are rude in real life, feel free to be rude here".
- jk4930 15y ago
  Well, my observations aren't cliches but come from actual contact with these people. And they aren't geeks, certainly not (that some of them actually wrote some perl programs doesn't make them geeks). My "insults" are factual observations and provide some additional information to form a better picture of the German pirates. And I didn't say they're anti-business because I don't like their dresses but that their appearance is typical for their political agenda and I'm not surprised. That they dress so badly is--especially in the political domain--an important point. That they (okay, some of them, but the few stink for the whole group) don't shower is also negative when they approach people on the streets for handing out information and recruit supporters. They look and behave like an internet joke in RL. When they greet new people with "Aaaaargh!" this is certainly the way to success... I'm not rude. I'm just telling the facts. The political domain is unforgiving and they should be thankful for my feedback.
  - VMG 15y ago
    While I share your viewpoint, your wording is rude and insulting. Also the comment is not exactly on topic, so it is perceived as a typical internet rant from somebody who doesn't read the article. Nothing wrong with smoking pot though.
sorbus 15y ago
> All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. From your original comment: > Most of them are obese. And usually don't shower. And don't know how to dress. It's pathetic. > The funny thing is that their agenda was 100% predictable from their physical appearance. Obesity, lack of showering, and bad fashion sense are entirely irrelevant, unless presented as reason that popular opinion will not support them. You also might want to provide citations for those three facts, as it comes off as you being abusive. Being able to predict their agenda from their physical appearance is entirely irrelevant. > Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines. Applicable guidelines: > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. You are primarily insulting them, rather than presenting a well thought out criticism of them and their political views. You have exactly one sentence which comes close to doing so. > Be civil.
- jk4930 15y ago
  > unless presented as reason that popular opinion will not support them. That was implicitly part of my message, yes. They're certainly not hacking the social perception... > Being able to predict their agenda from their physical appearance is entirely irrelevant. People are visually blocked before they could get to their message. If they want support from more than the usual suspects, then they have to play according to the rules of the social game. If I won't change my "insulting" style, I get downvoted at HN. If they won't change, they won't get upvoted in elections.
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tlb 15y ago
I found your comment useful -- I previously had no idea what sort of party the Pirate party was, and you provided a vivid picture of what kind of fringe they are on. The story would have a different color if they were as mainstream as the Green or Libertarian parties in the US.

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