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Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup

narogab 6y ago
FTFA: "three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries..." So 3 European officials call it a coup? How about some evidence? This claim is drivel.
aaron695 6y ago
> Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol The alternative for that officer was violence. While surrounded. The lies coming out of the media (which normally lie he took the selfie with the protesters) at the moment are insane. Sure, "Trump deliberately attempted a coup".... because he's mentally ill. But the media is actually pulling off a real coup by consistently implying it was even close to happening. Feeding "Multiple European security officials" who feed them back. How did the "5 people dead" reported from the media actually die out of interest? We know one, filmed from many angles, all the rest? These ongoing media lies are outrageous.
- petertodd 6y ago
  https://www.cbs58.com/news/what-we-know-about-the-4-deaths-in-the-pro-trump-mob-that-stormed-the-capitol https://www.cbs58.com/news/what-we-know-about-the-4-deaths-i... One person was shot by police. As for the other three: "One adult female and two adult males appear to have suffered from separate medical emergencies, which resulted in their deaths," Contee said. "Any loss of life in the District is tragic and our thoughts are with anyone impacted by their loss." At least one one those medical emergencies was simply a heart attack. And possibly another from an accidental fall from scaffolding, though the article says police were unclear. Doesn't sound like violence had anything to do with them, at least directly. If it did, I'd expect that to be made clear.
  - courtf 6y ago
    Trump was actually hoping the entire gravy seal battalion would suffer coronaries on the walk to the capitol building, it's the only way he gets out of this without the mob turning on him. Think about it, Trump invites these gas bags to the white house, and then gets em all riled up about something or other, then tells them to march to the capitol? That's 9 miles away! A march of that length is practically a death sentence for a lot of these patriots! Trump is playing 4d chess as always. Sure, some of them may have rascals or walkers to lean on, but that march might as well be 40 years in the desert. Stumbling, out of breath, leaving a trail of high capacity ar-15 mags emblazoned with the cross, and dragging a confederate flag through the mud like a starving sauropod's tail, just after the meteor. Trump new exactly what he was doing. Exercise for Americans!? He's bold,you got to give him that.
    - BiologyBum 6y ago
      Just want to correct you. The march from the White House to Capitol Hill is only about 2 miles. Still probably was too far for some of the insurrectionists...
      - courtf 6y ago
        A lot of people are saying that Trump gallantly led the march in a few unnecessary loops before they arrived at the capitol. Yeah he had the presidential limo pacing ahead of crowd while he dangled one luscious, bizarrely hairless orange leg out an open door to keep up their spirits.
- ttyprintk 6y ago
  Trump led the attack, and has motivated an insurgency. The coup is the cooperation between insurgents and the security force. That's why the media is covering the selfie. Trump is currently not mentally-ill enough to be unfit for the Presidency. Of course, that's decided at the Capitol, so it may change after he directed violence toward it. And Fox News agrees with other outlets about the circumstances of five deaths. This article is about NATO contemplating what it would mean to bring financial sanctions against the USA under the circumstances of a successful coup.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Trump is currently not mentally-ill enough to be unfit for the Presidency. Of course, that's decided at the Capitol, so it may change after he directed violence toward it. No, it's decided in the White House Cabinet Room (well, metaphorically; by the VP and Cabinet, wherever they are located) initially, under the 25th Amendment; Congress isn't involved until he says he's all better after he's been temporarily removed, where if the Cabinet disagrees Congress resolves the dispute. Whether he is too criminal to continue in office is decided in the Capitol, through the impeachment process, though.
- Pilottwave 6y ago
  Boring articles don't get shared. Outrageous ones do. It's just businesses
  - vaxman 6y ago
    why is this on a tech incubator site anyway? oh yeah, if they can convince young/foreign/naive people to come here for all of their news, then they have real power...for a while
throwaway888abc 6y ago
The police selfie from breached property is ... interesting https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?ref...
- fakedang 6y ago
  From a wise woman on Twitter: You don't ask where Miley Cyrus is when Hannah Montana's performing on stage, do you?
- almost_usual 6y ago
  vs the police officer who was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    Well, yes, that officer with the selfie was being very foolish and putting himself at a lot of risk. But it does indicate a certain attitude.
jcims 6y ago
coup /ko͞o/ noun 1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. Sudden? Sure. Violent? Yes but on the lower end of the spectrum of human conflict. One person got shot by the police, one died of a heart attack, the rest had ‘medical emergencies’. (Edit: An officer died after being attacked by one of the rioters.) The part I’m not understanding is where was the attempt to seize power?
- zerocrates 6y ago
  I mean, they stormed the seat of power of the legislature, halted the process of officially determining the next president, and caused the evacuation of a joint session of Congress, all quite literally under the banner of the loser of the election. How successful at it do they have to be to even rise to "attempt" in your mind? The people who came in armed and with zip-tie flex cuffs, what were they attempting to do?
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Steal the laptops of Pelosi and her staff.
  - zwily 6y ago
    Did they even know what they were attempting?
    - Solocomplex 6y ago
      Chaos is the MO for this administration.
  - jcims 6y ago
    In my opinion this was a sloppy mob that bum rushed reprehensible security and got farther than they ever expected. People die in riots all of the time, I don't really see what elevates this to anything beyond that...the process got stalled for a few hours and then proceeded. If you want to call it a coup attempt be my guest, I just think it's histrionic.
Proven 6y ago
If you want to know who in the US is actually in the business of overthrowing governments... Biden Taps Victoria "F*ck The EU" Nuland For Key National Security Post: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-taps-victoria-fck-eu-nuland-key-national-security-post https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-taps-victoria-fck-...

FTFA: "three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries..." So 3 European officials call it a coup? How about some evidence? This claim is drivel.

aaron695 6y ago

> Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol The alternative for that officer was violence. While surrounded. The lies coming out of the media (which normally lie he took the selfie with the protesters) at the moment are insane. Sure, "Trump deliberately attempted a coup".... because he's mentally ill. But the media is actually pulling off a real coup by consistently implying it was even close to happening. Feeding "Multiple European security officials" who feed them back. How did the "5 people dead" reported from the media actually die out of interest? We know one, filmed from many angles, all the rest? These ongoing media lies are outrageous.

petertodd 6y ago
https://www.cbs58.com/news/what-we-know-about-the-4-deaths-in-the-pro-trump-mob-that-stormed-the-capitol https://www.cbs58.com/news/what-we-know-about-the-4-deaths-i... One person was shot by police. As for the other three: "One adult female and two adult males appear to have suffered from separate medical emergencies, which resulted in their deaths," Contee said. "Any loss of life in the District is tragic and our thoughts are with anyone impacted by their loss." At least one one those medical emergencies was simply a heart attack. And possibly another from an accidental fall from scaffolding, though the article says police were unclear. Doesn't sound like violence had anything to do with them, at least directly. If it did, I'd expect that to be made clear.
- courtf 6y ago
  Trump was actually hoping the entire gravy seal battalion would suffer coronaries on the walk to the capitol building, it's the only way he gets out of this without the mob turning on him. Think about it, Trump invites these gas bags to the white house, and then gets em all riled up about something or other, then tells them to march to the capitol? That's 9 miles away! A march of that length is practically a death sentence for a lot of these patriots! Trump is playing 4d chess as always. Sure, some of them may have rascals or walkers to lean on, but that march might as well be 40 years in the desert. Stumbling, out of breath, leaving a trail of high capacity ar-15 mags emblazoned with the cross, and dragging a confederate flag through the mud like a starving sauropod's tail, just after the meteor. Trump new exactly what he was doing. Exercise for Americans!? He's bold,you got to give him that.
  - BiologyBum 6y ago
    Just want to correct you. The march from the White House to Capitol Hill is only about 2 miles. Still probably was too far for some of the insurrectionists...
    - courtf 6y ago
      A lot of people are saying that Trump gallantly led the march in a few unnecessary loops before they arrived at the capitol. Yeah he had the presidential limo pacing ahead of crowd while he dangled one luscious, bizarrely hairless orange leg out an open door to keep up their spirits.
ttyprintk 6y ago
Trump led the attack, and has motivated an insurgency. The coup is the cooperation between insurgents and the security force. That's why the media is covering the selfie. Trump is currently not mentally-ill enough to be unfit for the Presidency. Of course, that's decided at the Capitol, so it may change after he directed violence toward it. And Fox News agrees with other outlets about the circumstances of five deaths. This article is about NATO contemplating what it would mean to bring financial sanctions against the USA under the circumstances of a successful coup.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Trump is currently not mentally-ill enough to be unfit for the Presidency. Of course, that's decided at the Capitol, so it may change after he directed violence toward it. No, it's decided in the White House Cabinet Room (well, metaphorically; by the VP and Cabinet, wherever they are located) initially, under the 25th Amendment; Congress isn't involved until he says he's all better after he's been temporarily removed, where if the Cabinet disagrees Congress resolves the dispute. Whether he is too criminal to continue in office is decided in the Capitol, through the impeachment process, though.
Pilottwave 6y ago
Boring articles don't get shared. Outrageous ones do. It's just businesses
- vaxman 6y ago
  why is this on a tech incubator site anyway? oh yeah, if they can convince young/foreign/naive people to come here for all of their news, then they have real power...for a while

throwaway888abc 6y ago

The police selfie from breached property is ... interesting https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?ref...

fakedang 6y ago
From a wise woman on Twitter: You don't ask where Miley Cyrus is when Hannah Montana's performing on stage, do you?
almost_usual 6y ago
vs the police officer who was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher
- rsynnott 6y ago
  Well, yes, that officer with the selfie was being very foolish and putting himself at a lot of risk. But it does indicate a certain attitude.

jcims 6y ago

coup /ko͞o/ noun 1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. Sudden? Sure. Violent? Yes but on the lower end of the spectrum of human conflict. One person got shot by the police, one died of a heart attack, the rest had ‘medical emergencies’. (Edit: An officer died after being attacked by one of the rioters.) The part I’m not understanding is where was the attempt to seize power?

zerocrates 6y ago
I mean, they stormed the seat of power of the legislature, halted the process of officially determining the next president, and caused the evacuation of a joint session of Congress, all quite literally under the banner of the loser of the election. How successful at it do they have to be to even rise to "attempt" in your mind? The people who came in armed and with zip-tie flex cuffs, what were they attempting to do?
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Steal the laptops of Pelosi and her staff.
- zwily 6y ago
  Did they even know what they were attempting?
  - Solocomplex 6y ago
    Chaos is the MO for this administration.
- jcims 6y ago
  In my opinion this was a sloppy mob that bum rushed reprehensible security and got farther than they ever expected. People die in riots all of the time, I don't really see what elevates this to anything beyond that...the process got stalled for a few hours and then proceeded. If you want to call it a coup attempt be my guest, I just think it's histrionic.

Proven 6y ago

If you want to know who in the US is actually in the business of overthrowing governments... Biden Taps Victoria "F*ck The EU" Nuland For Key National Security Post: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-taps-victoria-fck-eu-nuland-key-national-security-post https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-taps-victoria-fck-...