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You are not going to arrest millions of people. Thats just fantasy, unless you want full on civil war. For all the contempt you feel for Trump voters, they feel

You are not going to arrest millions of people. Thats just fantasy, unless you want full on civil war. For all the contempt you feel for Trump voters, they feel the same for you. This thing escalated when it could have been resolved with just a proper audit of the vote totals by and independent panel in the disputed states. The supreme court should have taken the case, and resolved it. Unfortunately the Supreme court chickened out. And the disputed states governors fought tooth and nail a proper audit. As a result Trumps people protested a contested election because they feel cheated. Some of them breached the barricades in the legislature. A Small group of them entered just for kicks and selfies. There's no reason to label all of them terrorists, there was no violent intent for most of the protesters. Its called "The Peoples House" after all, and Democrats have occupied legislatures too during protests. You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated.

epakai 6y ago
The audits were done. Polls were watched. Close elections recounted. Discrepancies explained. None of it matters to Trump. He stuck to the same narrative. We heard it in the Georgia phone call. Even now he won't back away from it, and as long as he maintains the election was stolen a large number of his followers will too. If you do this "full audit" he will just find more things to string it along just as he has done the whole time.
- dukeofdoom 6y ago
  The system investigated itself and found no wrong doing, is not the same as a third party audit. Its possible that Trump would continue to dispute after a proper third party audit, but that would have lost him a lot of support from reasonable people and republicans. Right now millions of people still feel the election was rigged, even democrats and independents. They just chose to move on.
ChrisLomont 6y ago
>You are not going to arrest millions of people. Millions of people didn't commit felonies. > You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. You cannot treat someone fairly if they refuse to acknowledge basic evidence and decide that no matter what things are unfair. At some point society has to decide that fair is not a moving target defined by a group with a martyr complex. >Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated. They are - peaceful BLM protestors faces multiple layers of federal law enforcement on the steps of buildings, yet Trump sprayed them anyways. They did not smash and enter the Capitol, which would have likely gotten them shot. On the other hand, this group tried to stop the lawful counting of electoral votes and overthrow the US government, they broke in to the capitol building and attacked congress, and the police did not stop them going in or going out. So yes, there was a double standard. The right wingers as usual got much softer treatment than black people did.
- dukeofdoom 6y ago
  Do we let Enron audit its own books? Its not a martyr complex to ask for a proper independent audit of a closely disputed race. Especially when paper mailed ballots, huge vote spikes and computers are involved. You are arguing from conclusion.
  - ChrisLomont 6y ago
    It's a martyr complex to ask for more and more and more audits after many have been done, all according to law. You do want to follow the law, right? There were all audits requested as done by law, some states had multiple recounts done, all with the same result. At some point asking for more and more recounts when you don't like the original several becomes ridiculous. These audits were done in many cases by lifetime Republicans. Trump had 60+ opportunities to present fraud in court. He did not provide actual fraud in any single case, this he lost them all. He presented nonsense and no evidence and hearsay and handwaving, which is why every judge, even Trump appointed judges told him so. In PA, Trump appointed federal judge even dismissed the case with prejudice it was so ridiculous, and now in multiple states the lawyers presenting those cases without evidence are facing legal consequences. And, no matter how or what happened, there is also a legal time window to resolve it in. That window is over. There is zero legal method to do so now - consider the statute of limitation has passed. At some point you become an adult and realize this is the law. Claiming to be the law and order party should give you some respect for the law, but apparently it does not. So - do you now want to no longer follow the law when it doesn't suit you?

epakai 6y ago

The audits were done. Polls were watched. Close elections recounted. Discrepancies explained. None of it matters to Trump. He stuck to the same narrative. We heard it in the Georgia phone call. Even now he won't back away from it, and as long as he maintains the election was stolen a large number of his followers will too. If you do this "full audit" he will just find more things to string it along just as he has done the whole time.

dukeofdoom 6y ago
The system investigated itself and found no wrong doing, is not the same as a third party audit. Its possible that Trump would continue to dispute after a proper third party audit, but that would have lost him a lot of support from reasonable people and republicans. Right now millions of people still feel the election was rigged, even democrats and independents. They just chose to move on.

ChrisLomont 6y ago

>You are not going to arrest millions of people. Millions of people didn't commit felonies. > You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. You cannot treat someone fairly if they refuse to acknowledge basic evidence and decide that no matter what things are unfair. At some point society has to decide that fair is not a moving target defined by a group with a martyr complex. >Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated. They are - peaceful BLM protestors faces multiple layers of federal law enforcement on the steps of buildings, yet Trump sprayed them anyways. They did not smash and enter the Capitol, which would have likely gotten them shot. On the other hand, this group tried to stop the lawful counting of electoral votes and overthrow the US government, they broke in to the capitol building and attacked congress, and the police did not stop them going in or going out. So yes, there was a double standard. The right wingers as usual got much softer treatment than black people did.

dukeofdoom 6y ago
Do we let Enron audit its own books? Its not a martyr complex to ask for a proper independent audit of a closely disputed race. Especially when paper mailed ballots, huge vote spikes and computers are involved. You are arguing from conclusion.
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  It's a martyr complex to ask for more and more and more audits after many have been done, all according to law. You do want to follow the law, right? There were all audits requested as done by law, some states had multiple recounts done, all with the same result. At some point asking for more and more recounts when you don't like the original several becomes ridiculous. These audits were done in many cases by lifetime Republicans. Trump had 60+ opportunities to present fraud in court. He did not provide actual fraud in any single case, this he lost them all. He presented nonsense and no evidence and hearsay and handwaving, which is why every judge, even Trump appointed judges told him so. In PA, Trump appointed federal judge even dismissed the case with prejudice it was so ridiculous, and now in multiple states the lawyers presenting those cases without evidence are facing legal consequences. And, no matter how or what happened, there is also a legal time window to resolve it in. That window is over. There is zero legal method to do so now - consider the statute of limitation has passed. At some point you become an adult and realize this is the law. Claiming to be the law and order party should give you some respect for the law, but apparently it does not. So - do you now want to no longer follow the law when it doesn't suit you?