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There are videos showing cops waving people in, cops taking selfies with people inside the Capitol, cops gingerly walking hand in hand with insurrectionists. U

There are videos showing cops waving people in, cops taking selfies with people inside the Capitol, cops gingerly walking hand in hand with insurrectionists. Underestimating the police necessary is a form of allowing this to happen. Yeah, maybe there were individuals holding the line, but the police definitely, irrefutably allowed this to happen.

jonnycomputer 6y ago
About those selfies. The only ones I've seen are those where the Trump supporters were holding the cameras. Have you seen any where the police were taking shots of themselves with the protesters? A police officer standing passively by while someone takes as shot that includes them seems less ... outrageous.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  What's the demeanor of the cops in question? https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 is not someone who is just idly standing by -- they are participating, even if the insurrectionist is holding the camera.
  - jonnycomputer 6y ago
    Yeah, this is the video everyone shows. I don't know what the cop's demeanor is. He's wearing a mask. As a practical matter, what should the police officer have done in this situation, outnumbered in a potentially hostile crowd? I'm agnostic on what was actually going on here. I feel cautious about how narrative quickly outpaces the evidence to support it. And I'm honestly not so concerned here about what individual cops do, but whether there was a coordinated conspiracy to insurrection. A coup. Here is what I believe. This is really very Trump. He riles up the crowd, says he'll go lead them up to the steps of the Capitol, but then gets in his limo and goes to the White House instead. Perhaps he gets the assistance of the capitol police, but that is not established. But he is slow or refuses to provide them National Guard backup (apparently it was Pence who got it done, going around Trump). All of this is to get a coup with plausible deniability. I might be wrong.
    - mcbits 6y ago
      If last summer is the standard to live up to, he should have been maiming as many random people as possible, with special emphasis on the photographers and any children that might unfortunately be present.

jonnycomputer 6y ago

About those selfies. The only ones I've seen are those where the Trump supporters were holding the cameras. Have you seen any where the police were taking shots of themselves with the protesters? A police officer standing passively by while someone takes as shot that includes them seems less ... outrageous.

Pfhreak 6y ago
What's the demeanor of the cops in question? https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 is not someone who is just idly standing by -- they are participating, even if the insurrectionist is holding the camera.
- jonnycomputer 6y ago
  Yeah, this is the video everyone shows. I don't know what the cop's demeanor is. He's wearing a mask. As a practical matter, what should the police officer have done in this situation, outnumbered in a potentially hostile crowd? I'm agnostic on what was actually going on here. I feel cautious about how narrative quickly outpaces the evidence to support it. And I'm honestly not so concerned here about what individual cops do, but whether there was a coordinated conspiracy to insurrection. A coup. Here is what I believe. This is really very Trump. He riles up the crowd, says he'll go lead them up to the steps of the Capitol, but then gets in his limo and goes to the White House instead. Perhaps he gets the assistance of the capitol police, but that is not established. But he is slow or refuses to provide them National Guard backup (apparently it was Pence who got it done, going around Trump). All of this is to get a coup with plausible deniability. I might be wrong.
  - mcbits 6y ago
    If last summer is the standard to live up to, he should have been maiming as many random people as possible, with special emphasis on the photographers and any children that might unfortunately be present.