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Ethernet was introduced in 1980 [1], 41 years ago. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

by l0b0 6y ago

tialaramex 6y ago
While you can buy Ethernet service, e.g. from my ISP, I would anticipate that the set of people who have purchased Ethernet to the Internet and can't do TLS is empty. It's a niche service, it's fast, it's symmetric, it's expensive. Also you're going to need one hell of an adaptor to connect Ethernet from 1980 to modern Ethernet. The bit protocol is the same, but the hardware is radically different. I have never used the original Ethernet, but I have personally built 10base2 networks (still have terminators in various bit boxes) and I've seen some setups with 10base5 which is the earliest Ethernet that was actually commercially deployed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5
- shakna 6y ago
  > Also you're going to need one hell of an adaptor to connect Ethernet from 1980 to modern Ethernet. There's actual quite a number of them (like [0]) around. They can be large, but considering you can go from parallel to modern ethernet _and_ you have a choice of adapter, it's not really as big a problem as you might be foreseeing. [0] https://amiga68k.com/?product=plipbox-deluxe https://amiga68k.com/?product=plipbox-deluxe
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    Um. Did you mean to link something else entirely? That's a Plipbox. One side of it speaks 10baseT (or maybe 100baseT, it doesn't really matter) and the other is a literal Centronics-style parallel port, not Ethernet at all. The idea is, your Amiga can do PLIP (IP over the Parallel port) and this box turns that into Ethernet traffic which you can drop into any network with IP. But if you've got some 10base5 or earlier Ethernet, this does not help you at all.
- edoceo 6y ago
  You can bridge Ethernet to other things. There are ports for 10/100 on most ISP client devices (eg: Comcast Modem). 10b2-5/10bT bridges are still available
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  > I would anticipate that the set of people who have purchased Ethernet to the Internet and can't do TLS is empty. ...what am I missing? Cable and DSL modems have ethernet ports don't they? Ethernet ports still support 10Mb/s and hall-duplex right? You might need a transceiver to physically adapt the connection, but its still ethernet... well, unless we're talking about pre-802.3 ethernet of which I'm not sure how compatible the frames are.

Ethernet was introduced in 1980 [1], 41 years ago. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

by l0b0 6y ago

Ethernet was introduced in 1980 [1], 41 years ago. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

tialaramex 6y ago

While you can buy Ethernet service, e.g. from my ISP, I would anticipate that the set of people who have purchased Ethernet to the Internet and can't do TLS is empty. It's a niche service, it's fast, it's symmetric, it's expensive. Also you're going to need one hell of an adaptor to connect Ethernet from 1980 to modern Ethernet. The bit protocol is the same, but the hardware is radically different. I have never used the original Ethernet, but I have personally built 10base2 networks (still have terminators in various bit boxes) and I've seen some setups with 10base5 which is the earliest Ethernet that was actually commercially deployed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5

shakna 6y ago
> Also you're going to need one hell of an adaptor to connect Ethernet from 1980 to modern Ethernet. There's actual quite a number of them (like [0]) around. They can be large, but considering you can go from parallel to modern ethernet _and_ you have a choice of adapter, it's not really as big a problem as you might be foreseeing. [0] https://amiga68k.com/?product=plipbox-deluxe https://amiga68k.com/?product=plipbox-deluxe
- tialaramex 6y ago
  Um. Did you mean to link something else entirely? That's a Plipbox. One side of it speaks 10baseT (or maybe 100baseT, it doesn't really matter) and the other is a literal Centronics-style parallel port, not Ethernet at all. The idea is, your Amiga can do PLIP (IP over the Parallel port) and this box turns that into Ethernet traffic which you can drop into any network with IP. But if you've got some 10base5 or earlier Ethernet, this does not help you at all.
edoceo 6y ago
You can bridge Ethernet to other things. There are ports for 10/100 on most ISP client devices (eg: Comcast Modem). 10b2-5/10bT bridges are still available
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> I would anticipate that the set of people who have purchased Ethernet to the Internet and can't do TLS is empty. ...what am I missing? Cable and DSL modems have ethernet ports don't they? Ethernet ports still support 10Mb/s and hall-duplex right? You might need a transceiver to physically adapt the connection, but its still ethernet... well, unless we're talking about pre-802.3 ethernet of which I'm not sure how compatible the frames are.