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Note: IANAL With the death of a USCP officer tonight, they are all possible accomplices/accessories to the murder of a federal peace officer, should the prosec

Note: IANAL With the death of a USCP officer tonight, they are all possible accomplices/accessories to the murder of a federal peace officer, should the prosecutor decide to press charges as such. That's big boy prison time. In DC (though the Capitol is likely different) you are looking at 20-Life minimum for an accomplice to murder in the first degree. With such long time on the docket the pressure to 'flip' on other insurrectionists would be very high. Though the 'average' sentence may be low, the prosecutor has vast resources at their disposal and likely a lot of pressure coming in from Congress to make arrests and show strength. Very serious prison time is well within the chances for a large number of people. https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/titles/22/chapters/21/ https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/titles/22/chapters...

zaroth 6y ago
Imagine if every time a protestor or police officer died in a riot all last year, that people suggested or even expected that everyone there upon present would be charged as an accomplice.
- sthnblllII 6y ago
  Trespassing and walking around a building taking selfies is insurrection, but burning police stations to the ground and torching federal court houses is justified peaceful protesting. This whole thing is one giant political flame war. There is no logic, only partisanship. Its good that people are realizing how messy politics is, and how it largely comes down to who accepts whose leadership as legitimate.
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    The President called for his supporters to disrupt the election certification process for an election he lost. And they did. You really going to ignore that context? Really? You really going to say that BLM protests against well demonstrated police brutality against minorities is the same? ??
  - zo1 6y ago
    If the comments in this thread are anything to go by, I'd say they are not realizing it and just doubling down. Its downright disturbing to watch the double standards and hypocrisy. We will now watch the full force of social media, traditional media, populist talking heads, CEOs, reporters, activists, group leaders, politicians, etc all jumping on this thing to milk it to it's full extent and amplify its negative aspects and blow it way out of proportion. Just like the same power structures were last year used to amplify the "positive" message of certain other protests.
    - sofixa 6y ago
      > jumping on this thing to milk it to it's full extent and amplify its negative aspects and blow it way out of proportion. Just like the same power structures were last year used to amplify the "positive" message of certain other protests. Armed people stormed the US Capitol, after being incited to do so by the current US President, in order to overturn a legal election result. People died as well. You can't "blow this out of proportion" the same way you can't blow something like Chernobyl out of proportion - it was huge, it has huge ramifications, it impacts a lot of people. There are zero positive aspects and there's nothing redeeming in the whole story.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  > police officer died in a riot all last year When did this happen?
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Are you kidding? Just a couple examples; > On Monday June 1, 2020, four police officers were shot in St. Louis City. The far left rioters threw gas on police. The 7-11 downtown was looted and torched. Across town retired Police Captain David Dorn was shot dead while protecting a pawnshop. > June 2, 2020: 23 police officers were injured in the protests in Las Vegas, Nevada. One Metropolitan Police officer was shot in the back of the head while struggling with a rioter and is on life support. In Salt Lake City, Utah, 21 police officers were injured and a police car was flipped over and set on fire. Some of the injured officers suffered broken bones. One of the officers was hit in the back of the head with a baseball bat. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/431-police-officers-injured-killed-recent-far-left-black-lives-matter-protests-riots/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/431-police-officers...
    - SauciestGNU 6y ago
      The gateway pundit is not a real source, it exists to launder false claims so larger right wing media can say "it is being reported that [misinformation]".
      - zaroth 6y ago
        It's not original reporting by the Gateway Pundit. They just happened to rank high on a quick Google search. Are you actually contesting those two examples? The police officer shot in the head in Las Vegas was international news, as was the 4 police officers shot in St. Louis riots the day before. [1] - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/photos-4-police-officers-shot-buildings-looted-fires-set-in-downtown-st-louis-riot/collection_f701b60b-3e13-59ed-b8a1-050fe71946b4.html#8 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/photos-4-police-of... [2] - https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/02/officer-shot-during-protest-still-in-grave-conditi/ https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/02/officer-shot-during...
Balgair 6y ago
Update: New reporting seems to indicate that no USCP officers have died this day. Thank Heaven I am wrong in my parent posting. That said, assaulting USCP officers may also be on the table, though I am completely unsure what the laws are about being an accomplice to such a crime may be. Such a crime likely includes less prison time. EDIT: My word! Things are still moving fast and I need to reverse my reversal. Per the latest news reports, a USCP officer has died as a result of the insurrection: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-has-died-after-clashing-pro-trump-mob-n1253396 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-polic...

zaroth 6y ago

Imagine if every time a protestor or police officer died in a riot all last year, that people suggested or even expected that everyone there upon present would be charged as an accomplice.

sthnblllII 6y ago
Trespassing and walking around a building taking selfies is insurrection, but burning police stations to the ground and torching federal court houses is justified peaceful protesting. This whole thing is one giant political flame war. There is no logic, only partisanship. Its good that people are realizing how messy politics is, and how it largely comes down to who accepts whose leadership as legitimate.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  The President called for his supporters to disrupt the election certification process for an election he lost. And they did. You really going to ignore that context? Really? You really going to say that BLM protests against well demonstrated police brutality against minorities is the same? ??
- zo1 6y ago
  If the comments in this thread are anything to go by, I'd say they are not realizing it and just doubling down. Its downright disturbing to watch the double standards and hypocrisy. We will now watch the full force of social media, traditional media, populist talking heads, CEOs, reporters, activists, group leaders, politicians, etc all jumping on this thing to milk it to it's full extent and amplify its negative aspects and blow it way out of proportion. Just like the same power structures were last year used to amplify the "positive" message of certain other protests.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    > jumping on this thing to milk it to it's full extent and amplify its negative aspects and blow it way out of proportion. Just like the same power structures were last year used to amplify the "positive" message of certain other protests. Armed people stormed the US Capitol, after being incited to do so by the current US President, in order to overturn a legal election result. People died as well. You can't "blow this out of proportion" the same way you can't blow something like Chernobyl out of proportion - it was huge, it has huge ramifications, it impacts a lot of people. There are zero positive aspects and there's nothing redeeming in the whole story.
chillwaves 6y ago
> police officer died in a riot all last year When did this happen?
- zaroth 6y ago
  Are you kidding? Just a couple examples; > On Monday June 1, 2020, four police officers were shot in St. Louis City. The far left rioters threw gas on police. The 7-11 downtown was looted and torched. Across town retired Police Captain David Dorn was shot dead while protecting a pawnshop. > June 2, 2020: 23 police officers were injured in the protests in Las Vegas, Nevada. One Metropolitan Police officer was shot in the back of the head while struggling with a rioter and is on life support. In Salt Lake City, Utah, 21 police officers were injured and a police car was flipped over and set on fire. Some of the injured officers suffered broken bones. One of the officers was hit in the back of the head with a baseball bat. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/431-police-officers-injured-killed-recent-far-left-black-lives-matter-protests-riots/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/431-police-officers...
  - SauciestGNU 6y ago
    The gateway pundit is not a real source, it exists to launder false claims so larger right wing media can say "it is being reported that [misinformation]".
    - zaroth 6y ago
      It's not original reporting by the Gateway Pundit. They just happened to rank high on a quick Google search. Are you actually contesting those two examples? The police officer shot in the head in Las Vegas was international news, as was the 4 police officers shot in St. Louis riots the day before. [1] - https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/photos-4-police-officers-shot-buildings-looted-fires-set-in-downtown-st-louis-riot/collection_f701b60b-3e13-59ed-b8a1-050fe71946b4.html#8 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/photos-4-police-of... [2] - https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/02/officer-shot-during-protest-still-in-grave-conditi/ https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/02/officer-shot-during...

Balgair 6y ago

Update: New reporting seems to indicate that no USCP officers have died this day. Thank Heaven I am wrong in my parent posting. That said, assaulting USCP officers may also be on the table, though I am completely unsure what the laws are about being an accomplice to such a crime may be. Such a crime likely includes less prison time. EDIT: My word! Things are still moving fast and I need to reverse my reversal. Per the latest news reports, a USCP officer has died as a result of the insurrection: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-has-died-after-clashing-pro-trump-mob-n1253396 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-polic...