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70+ million voted for Trump. This is a widely supported populist movement, which is only going to get stronger in the next few years as people rebel against fur

70+ million voted for Trump. This is a widely supported populist movement, which is only going to get stronger in the next few years as people rebel against further lockdown and having their livelihoods destroyed. The left should be careful about who they label as terrorist and insurrections. People generally don't admit to being wrong. And backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well.

krapp 6y ago
>The left should be careful about who they label as terrorist and insurrections. People generally don't admit to being wrong. And backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well. So... we should be careful not to call the Trump movement terrorists or what they did insurrection, otherwise... what? What does "backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well" mean? Violence? Sorry, more violence? Sounds an awful lot like a threat of terrorist intimidation to me. But I don't know. I mean, I don't want the Proud Boys to slip an IED under my car so I guess I should go along with it? For the good of the country? In fact we probably shouldn't arrest any of them. What insurrection? What pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails? Let's just make it so nothing they do is illegal - we don't dare threaten them or their self image, after all. Who knows what they might do? They can storm the Capitol as many times as they want. Hell, the next time they run a car into some protestors, we'll even cut their auto insurance premiums!
- dukeofdoom 6y ago
  You are not going to arrest millions of people. Thats just fantasy, unless you want full on civil war. For all the contempt you feel for Trump voters, they feel the same for you. This thing escalated when it could have been resolved with just a proper audit of the vote totals by and independent panel in the disputed states. The supreme court should have taken the case, and resolved it. Unfortunately the Supreme court chickened out. And the disputed states governors fought tooth and nail a proper audit. As a result Trumps people protested a contested election because they feel cheated. Some of them breached the barricades in the legislature. A Small group of them entered just for kicks and selfies. There's no reason to label all of them terrorists, there was no violent intent for most of the protesters. Its called "The Peoples House" after all, and Democrats have occupied legislatures too during protests. You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated.
  - epakai 6y ago
    The audits were done. Polls were watched. Close elections recounted. Discrepancies explained. None of it matters to Trump. He stuck to the same narrative. We heard it in the Georgia phone call. Even now he won't back away from it, and as long as he maintains the election was stolen a large number of his followers will too. If you do this "full audit" he will just find more things to string it along just as he has done the whole time.
    - dukeofdoom 6y ago
      The system investigated itself and found no wrong doing, is not the same as a third party audit. Its possible that Trump would continue to dispute after a proper third party audit, but that would have lost him a lot of support from reasonable people and republicans. Right now millions of people still feel the election was rigged, even democrats and independents. They just chose to move on.
  - ChrisLomont 6y ago
    >You are not going to arrest millions of people. Millions of people didn't commit felonies. > You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. You cannot treat someone fairly if they refuse to acknowledge basic evidence and decide that no matter what things are unfair. At some point society has to decide that fair is not a moving target defined by a group with a martyr complex. >Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated. They are - peaceful BLM protestors faces multiple layers of federal law enforcement on the steps of buildings, yet Trump sprayed them anyways. They did not smash and enter the Capitol, which would have likely gotten them shot. On the other hand, this group tried to stop the lawful counting of electoral votes and overthrow the US government, they broke in to the capitol building and attacked congress, and the police did not stop them going in or going out. So yes, there was a double standard. The right wingers as usual got much softer treatment than black people did.
    - dukeofdoom 6y ago
chillwaves 6y ago
Why is this flamebait garbage allowed on HN?
kumarvvr 6y ago
>This is a widely supported populist movement More than 80 million voted for Biden. 3+ Million more voted for Clinton than trump. As far as populist movements go, trump lost both times. He got the presidency due to Electoral Collage. >The left should be careful about who they label as terrorist and insurrections. People generally don't admit to being wrong. And backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well. "We are huge in number. We will riot and tear down the capitol. The others need not interfere with us because we are dangerous and we will act." - Is this the gist? Man, you are too eager to cast aside your country and countrymen because you only think about you winning.

krapp 6y ago

>The left should be careful about who they label as terrorist and insurrections. People generally don't admit to being wrong. And backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well. So... we should be careful not to call the Trump movement terrorists or what they did insurrection, otherwise... what? What does "backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well" mean? Violence? Sorry, more violence? Sounds an awful lot like a threat of terrorist intimidation to me. But I don't know. I mean, I don't want the Proud Boys to slip an IED under my car so I guess I should go along with it? For the good of the country? In fact we probably shouldn't arrest any of them. What insurrection? What pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails? Let's just make it so nothing they do is illegal - we don't dare threaten them or their self image, after all. Who knows what they might do? They can storm the Capitol as many times as they want. Hell, the next time they run a car into some protestors, we'll even cut their auto insurance premiums!

dukeofdoom 6y ago
You are not going to arrest millions of people. Thats just fantasy, unless you want full on civil war. For all the contempt you feel for Trump voters, they feel the same for you. This thing escalated when it could have been resolved with just a proper audit of the vote totals by and independent panel in the disputed states. The supreme court should have taken the case, and resolved it. Unfortunately the Supreme court chickened out. And the disputed states governors fought tooth and nail a proper audit. As a result Trumps people protested a contested election because they feel cheated. Some of them breached the barricades in the legislature. A Small group of them entered just for kicks and selfies. There's no reason to label all of them terrorists, there was no violent intent for most of the protesters. Its called "The Peoples House" after all, and Democrats have occupied legislatures too during protests. You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated.
- epakai 6y ago
  The audits were done. Polls were watched. Close elections recounted. Discrepancies explained. None of it matters to Trump. He stuck to the same narrative. We heard it in the Georgia phone call. Even now he won't back away from it, and as long as he maintains the election was stolen a large number of his followers will too. If you do this "full audit" he will just find more things to string it along just as he has done the whole time.
  - dukeofdoom 6y ago
    The system investigated itself and found no wrong doing, is not the same as a third party audit. Its possible that Trump would continue to dispute after a proper third party audit, but that would have lost him a lot of support from reasonable people and republicans. Right now millions of people still feel the election was rigged, even democrats and independents. They just chose to move on.
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  >You are not going to arrest millions of people. Millions of people didn't commit felonies. > You need to consider that human being are very sensitive to being treated unfairly. You cannot treat someone fairly if they refuse to acknowledge basic evidence and decide that no matter what things are unfair. At some point society has to decide that fair is not a moving target defined by a group with a martyr complex. >Right now its looking like an extreme double standard will be applied with how the BLM protesters were treated and how these protesters will be treated. They are - peaceful BLM protestors faces multiple layers of federal law enforcement on the steps of buildings, yet Trump sprayed them anyways. They did not smash and enter the Capitol, which would have likely gotten them shot. On the other hand, this group tried to stop the lawful counting of electoral votes and overthrow the US government, they broke in to the capitol building and attacked congress, and the police did not stop them going in or going out. So yes, there was a double standard. The right wingers as usual got much softer treatment than black people did.
  - dukeofdoom 6y ago

chillwaves 6y ago

Why is this flamebait garbage allowed on HN?

kumarvvr 6y ago

>This is a widely supported populist movement More than 80 million voted for Biden. 3+ Million more voted for Clinton than trump. As far as populist movements go, trump lost both times. He got the presidency due to Electoral Collage. >The left should be careful about who they label as terrorist and insurrections. People generally don't admit to being wrong. And backing his supporters into a corner, by projection will not go well. "We are huge in number. We will riot and tear down the capitol. The others need not interfere with us because we are dangerous and we will act." - Is this the gist? Man, you are too eager to cast aside your country and countrymen because you only think about you winning.