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The MAGA flavored anarchists and nihilists who stormed the US Capitol Building will hopefully be brought up on as many felonies as possible, tried in court, and

by eej71 6y ago

The MAGA flavored anarchists and nihilists who stormed the US Capitol Building will hopefully be brought up on as many felonies as possible, tried in court, and ideally spend some real time in a real jail. Even better if they can also track down organizers - who perhaps weren't there - and charge them with racketeering or sedition. It was evil and it needs to be halted. I also think the same thing needs to happen to the antifa flavored anarchists we were witness to throughout the summer. The endless attacks on businesses (big and small), federal buildings, lawlessness, looting, storming police precints, portland city council buildings, and general destruction should also result in as many felonies as possible. Both groups "think" that sheer muscle and raw emotionalism in the street is a legitimate way to bully your preferred changes through. It's the same evil mindset and it needs to be called out and punished regardless of what flag they appear to operate under.

chillwaves 6y ago
> Even better if they can also track down organizers There is video of the rally prior where Trump, his son, Rudy Giuliani and others were inciting the mob to violence.
- zaroth 6y ago
  This is exactly what every good fascist says when their opponent speaks at political rallies. If you can’t see both sides of the coin, why play around at flipping it?
  - vkou 6y ago
    Have just hit peak cultural relativism, where identifying the organizers of a fascist coup is the same thing as being a fascist?
    - zaroth 6y ago
      I think we’re making the same point, but “organizers of a fascist coup” is a bit rich. What we saw yesterday will be properly charged as entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct on capitol grounds, in limited cases assault on a federal law enforcement officer, and in a single digit number of cases, second degree murder. No charges will be laid for sedition, treason, or insurrection. Despite what you might read on CNN. I would say the same thing for all the rioting that happened last year. Even though city blocks were illegally cordoned off and occupied for weeks. Just my prediction.
      - vkou 6y ago
        1. The overwhelming majority of protests in city blocks did not at all prevent the lawful operation of government or businesses (And those that have did so in a rather limited way). So far, this one is batting one thousand. Congress had to be evacuated. Its operations had to stop, as its members were instructed to shelter in place. 2. I disagree that those are proper charges. Context matters. A mob showing up at the capitol and smashing a few windows from the outside when nothing of note is happening is disorderly conduct. A mob showing up at congress in the middle of a certification of an election, spurred on by cries that the election is stolen, and we need to do something, where members of the mob think they are participating in a revolution... Is a coup. It's a naked attempt to prevent a lawful transfer of power. Just because it's a failed coup doesn't make it anything less than a coup.
        zaroth 6y ago
        If you really think that no buildings had to be evacuated during BLM protests I’m not sure what news you’ve been watching or why you want to participate in this discussion. 1. Police stations were burned to the ground. Federal courthouse under sustained assault for months. $2 billion in property damage, thousands of police injured. 2. Those are what people have actually been charged with yesterday. Similarly, just because a BLM protestor is screaming kill all cops! while throwing rocks at a police car, it doesn’t make an attempted murder charge appropriate. Nor should everyone standing around chanting the same thing in the vicinity be charged with attempted murder. All I ask is for a little logical consistency instead of the absurd political flame war.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        They stopped an election process at behest of the loser, by invading Congress - a branch of government that was seen as not sympathetic to Trump's desire to overturn the election. He literally spoke to them right before the event, and insinuated they should take direct action, then waited for hours until he asked them to leave (while still claiming fraud and that their country was being stolen). It's really annoying to have to point out this obvious context over and over to the people who are minimizing what happened.
asdff 6y ago
The looting was pretty much a direct consequence to how the police handled protests. When you have every cop in the damn city staring at people protesting police brutality with shield and beating stick in hand, opportunists quickly realized they could hit up the Nieman Marcus and make a few hundred on eBay or craigslist because all the police were focused on was testing the limit with protestors and using their shiny toys on people's eyeballs.

by eej71 6y ago

chillwaves 6y ago

> Even better if they can also track down organizers There is video of the rally prior where Trump, his son, Rudy Giuliani and others were inciting the mob to violence.

zaroth 6y ago
This is exactly what every good fascist says when their opponent speaks at political rallies. If you can’t see both sides of the coin, why play around at flipping it?
- vkou 6y ago
  Have just hit peak cultural relativism, where identifying the organizers of a fascist coup is the same thing as being a fascist?
  - zaroth 6y ago
    I think we’re making the same point, but “organizers of a fascist coup” is a bit rich. What we saw yesterday will be properly charged as entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct on capitol grounds, in limited cases assault on a federal law enforcement officer, and in a single digit number of cases, second degree murder. No charges will be laid for sedition, treason, or insurrection. Despite what you might read on CNN. I would say the same thing for all the rioting that happened last year. Even though city blocks were illegally cordoned off and occupied for weeks. Just my prediction.
    - vkou 6y ago
      1. The overwhelming majority of protests in city blocks did not at all prevent the lawful operation of government or businesses (And those that have did so in a rather limited way). So far, this one is batting one thousand. Congress had to be evacuated. Its operations had to stop, as its members were instructed to shelter in place. 2. I disagree that those are proper charges. Context matters. A mob showing up at the capitol and smashing a few windows from the outside when nothing of note is happening is disorderly conduct. A mob showing up at congress in the middle of a certification of an election, spurred on by cries that the election is stolen, and we need to do something, where members of the mob think they are participating in a revolution... Is a coup. It's a naked attempt to prevent a lawful transfer of power. Just because it's a failed coup doesn't make it anything less than a coup.
      - zaroth 6y ago
        If you really think that no buildings had to be evacuated during BLM protests I’m not sure what news you’ve been watching or why you want to participate in this discussion. 1. Police stations were burned to the ground. Federal courthouse under sustained assault for months. $2 billion in property damage, thousands of police injured. 2. Those are what people have actually been charged with yesterday. Similarly, just because a BLM protestor is screaming kill all cops! while throwing rocks at a police car, it doesn’t make an attempted murder charge appropriate. Nor should everyone standing around chanting the same thing in the vicinity be charged with attempted murder. All I ask is for a little logical consistency instead of the absurd political flame war.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      They stopped an election process at behest of the loser, by invading Congress - a branch of government that was seen as not sympathetic to Trump's desire to overturn the election. He literally spoke to them right before the event, and insinuated they should take direct action, then waited for hours until he asked them to leave (while still claiming fraud and that their country was being stolen). It's really annoying to have to point out this obvious context over and over to the people who are minimizing what happened.

asdff 6y ago

The looting was pretty much a direct consequence to how the police handled protests. When you have every cop in the damn city staring at people protesting police brutality with shield and beating stick in hand, opportunists quickly realized they could hit up the Nieman Marcus and make a few hundred on eBay or craigslist because all the police were focused on was testing the limit with protestors and using their shiny toys on people's eyeballs.