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I'd be much more interested in the people who look like they were there with intent - like the one stepping across seats (in a gallery?) carrying a bunch of res

I'd be much more interested in the people who look like they were there with intent - like the one stepping across seats (in a gallery?) carrying a bunch of restraints and wearing tactical gear, a very concealing mask, a hat with flaps completely covering his ears, etc. That's a person expecting and prepared for trouble and likely working to not be recognized (fully and concealingly masked with no identifying marks in the middle of a crowd of anti-maskers). I suspect if he had a phone with him it was turned off.

favorited 6y ago
His phone was strapped to his chest with the camera facing out, presumably recording or streaming. https://www.nxsttv.com/nmw/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2021/01/GettyImages-1294932395.jpg https://www.nxsttv.com/nmw/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2021...
- nine_k 6y ago
  Could be a burner, or even without a sim card, recording only. No SIM card is not a complete defense, but still makes detection and identification somehow harder. Flight mode also helps somehow.
- gvd 6y ago
  Let's not forget that most of these bozos can be ID-ed by just drawing a geo-fence around their phone records.
  - spdustin 6y ago
    No aerial surveillance was in the air at the time—at least, none of the typical aircraft that show up on OpenADSB during protests in D.C.—so one hopes that there are ground-level IMSI catchers or something similar in use around the Capitol.
ehsankia 6y ago
> the people who look like they were there with intent I've heard some of the interviews with them, and almost all of them claimed they were there to undo the stolen election, and some also mentioned wanting to hang all democrats... so it's not like their intentions were hidden.
- peteretep 6y ago
  https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194 https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194 Elizabeth from Knoxville, TN looking very sorry for herself for getting maced in her attempt to -- in her words -- "storm the Capitol, it's a revolution"
  - ehsankia 6y ago
    For reference, I was referring to this one: > JOE: The people in this House who stole this election from us hanging from a gallow out here in this lawn for the whole world to see so it never happens again - that's what needs to happen, four by four by four hanging from a rope out here for treason. https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954324571/pro-trump-crowd-turns-into-violent-mob-breaches-u-s-capitol https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954324571/pro-trump-crowd-tur...
- koheripbal 6y ago
  I want to know what accounts they're following online, who they might be taking direction from - and whether those people are domestic or foreign. It's possible these things are entirely home grown, but it's also possible that there were foreign operatives in the crowd or operating behind the scenes. This is what makes it infuriating that all of them were not immediately taken into custody.
runjake 6y ago
Typically investigators will comb photos of the event for him and note additional identifying information and who he seems to be hanging around that they can identify. If they haven’t already identified him by that point, they figure out where he came from and start combing through “Patriot” events in his area of origin. He has got tons of identifying traits, he’s wearing fairly particular clothing items with patches in a certain configuration. These people tend to have their "event uniforms" and don’t change it up much. He will be IDed. He probably has been already. Edit: Upon another look, I missed the completely obvious on him. His Blue Lives Matter emblem is shaped like Tennessee. There we go.
- ATsch 6y ago
  That is, assuming anyone in law enforcement actually cares about identifying these people. Given that they could have simply not let them out and arrested them as was done with black protestors instead of politely showing them the door, that seems a bit unlikely.
  - peteretep 6y ago
    > assuming anyone in law enforcement actually cares about identifying these people Law enforcement is hardly a homogenous group. We're not talking about a State Trooper deciding whether or not to go after him here. We're talking about the Secret Service and FBI who probably feel accutely embarassed this happened on their watch, and are about to be run by allies of the man these protests were essentially targeting.
    - ATsch 6y ago
      How homogeneous of a group they are is irrelevant when they are all driven by the same incentives. The first people that benefit from increases in Authoritarianism are the police. The insurrectionists they are supposed to persecute are the very ones fighting the people that are calling for limiting the influence of the police. Police unions almost universally support Trump. They have everything to gain and little to lose from this.
jonnycomputer 6y ago
Yes, some of the people entering did so systematically, like it was a trained operation. Also carrying zip ties, for hostages presumably.
ashtonkem 6y ago
He also appeared to have a handgun. Combined with the zip tie handcuffs, it sure looks like he wanted to execute people on live stream.
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favorited 6y ago

His phone was strapped to his chest with the camera facing out, presumably recording or streaming. https://www.nxsttv.com/nmw/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2021/01/GettyImages-1294932395.jpg https://www.nxsttv.com/nmw/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2021...

nine_k 6y ago
Could be a burner, or even without a sim card, recording only. No SIM card is not a complete defense, but still makes detection and identification somehow harder. Flight mode also helps somehow.
gvd 6y ago
Let's not forget that most of these bozos can be ID-ed by just drawing a geo-fence around their phone records.
- spdustin 6y ago
  No aerial surveillance was in the air at the time—at least, none of the typical aircraft that show up on OpenADSB during protests in D.C.—so one hopes that there are ground-level IMSI catchers or something similar in use around the Capitol.

ehsankia 6y ago

> the people who look like they were there with intent I've heard some of the interviews with them, and almost all of them claimed they were there to undo the stolen election, and some also mentioned wanting to hang all democrats... so it's not like their intentions were hidden.

peteretep 6y ago
https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194 https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194 Elizabeth from Knoxville, TN looking very sorry for herself for getting maced in her attempt to -- in her words -- "storm the Capitol, it's a revolution"
- ehsankia 6y ago
  For reference, I was referring to this one: > JOE: The people in this House who stole this election from us hanging from a gallow out here in this lawn for the whole world to see so it never happens again - that's what needs to happen, four by four by four hanging from a rope out here for treason. https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954324571/pro-trump-crowd-turns-into-violent-mob-breaches-u-s-capitol https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954324571/pro-trump-crowd-tur...
koheripbal 6y ago
I want to know what accounts they're following online, who they might be taking direction from - and whether those people are domestic or foreign. It's possible these things are entirely home grown, but it's also possible that there were foreign operatives in the crowd or operating behind the scenes. This is what makes it infuriating that all of them were not immediately taken into custody.

runjake 6y ago

Typically investigators will comb photos of the event for him and note additional identifying information and who he seems to be hanging around that they can identify. If they haven’t already identified him by that point, they figure out where he came from and start combing through “Patriot” events in his area of origin. He has got tons of identifying traits, he’s wearing fairly particular clothing items with patches in a certain configuration. These people tend to have their "event uniforms" and don’t change it up much. He will be IDed. He probably has been already. Edit: Upon another look, I missed the completely obvious on him. His Blue Lives Matter emblem is shaped like Tennessee. There we go.

ATsch 6y ago
That is, assuming anyone in law enforcement actually cares about identifying these people. Given that they could have simply not let them out and arrested them as was done with black protestors instead of politely showing them the door, that seems a bit unlikely.
- peteretep 6y ago
  > assuming anyone in law enforcement actually cares about identifying these people Law enforcement is hardly a homogenous group. We're not talking about a State Trooper deciding whether or not to go after him here. We're talking about the Secret Service and FBI who probably feel accutely embarassed this happened on their watch, and are about to be run by allies of the man these protests were essentially targeting.
  - ATsch 6y ago
    How homogeneous of a group they are is irrelevant when they are all driven by the same incentives. The first people that benefit from increases in Authoritarianism are the police. The insurrectionists they are supposed to persecute are the very ones fighting the people that are calling for limiting the influence of the police. Police unions almost universally support Trump. They have everything to gain and little to lose from this.

jonnycomputer 6y ago

Yes, some of the people entering did so systematically, like it was a trained operation. Also carrying zip ties, for hostages presumably.

ashtonkem 6y ago

He also appeared to have a handgun. Combined with the zip tie handcuffs, it sure looks like he wanted to execute people on live stream.

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