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I think they missed the easiest way, getting each person's ID as they exited the building.

by stingrae 6y ago

jessaustin 6y ago
That would probably work for these morons, but in general people don't take their IDs to protests.
- jhowell 6y ago
  No, but they do take cellphones.
  - rdxm 6y ago
    lol, prob one or two stingrays floating around that area....
  - pvarangot 6y ago
    The police can't ask for your cellphone while you are in the limbo of being detained but not arrested. Once you are arrested they can get a warrant for your cellphone, but getting it unlocked can be a whole different issue. If you are arrested they will usually identify you via face recognition or fingerprints.
    - cortesoft 6y ago
      I think they would have been able to arrest everyone inside the Capitol building, since everyone inside was breaking the law.
      - pvarangot 6y ago
        Yes most definitely. They also have the infrastructure to do so, but not sure they have the infrastructure to keep them arrested until everything is sorted out.
        vkou 6y ago
        They absolutely have that infrastructure. Handcuff all of them, and let them lie face-down on the pavement while you process them. That's what usually happens with mass arrests.
    - elorant 6y ago
      I don't think parent comment was about confiscating phones rather than identifying which phones were in the area during the infiltration. If you can sort out the ones who had reason for being there, everyone else is a possible culprit.
      - pvarangot 6y ago
        Legally getting that information from cellphone towers or tech companies and then acting on it would take at least one week, even if they had killed multiple people. A three letter agency could probably get it clandestinely and act para-legally for example putting people on surveillance or getting a flash arrest warrant for an unrelated but quickly to parallel-construct crime, but I don't see that happening in this case. If there's going to be arrests based on cellphone tower or mobile app data I would expect them to happen by the end of next week.
- hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
  The first part of your statement was correct: https://i.imgur.com/1erVokO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1erVokO.jpg He was promptly fired by his employer.
  - kristopolous 6y ago
    He made it look like a media badge but the actual media took very high resolution photos of him where you could fairly easily read it https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/06/ap21007017666908_custom-4bfa27b7ff7e8b13e60e809e0f05e4e6ce33f275.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/06/ap21007017666908... It's some kind of wild foolishness here. The guy participated in what's likely legally somewhere in the neighborhood of insurrection and then he stood there as international media was snapping photos and he didn't think to hide his giant nametag... I'm sure most who ended up inside were just "following the crowd" and didn't actually plan to be there or murder anyone so it's probably not an "insurrection" in how I would personally define it, (as in, some planned execution of a coordinated intent to seize control of the government), but yeah, probably not the legal waters anyone wants to be swimming in. In the history books, usually a failed coup is followed by either lining the plotters up against the wall without trial and shooting them or a public execution. It's no good If I was there I'd be assuming that there'd be a whole slew of undisclosed trackers everywhere in that building - RFID readers picking up my credit cards, BTLE and WIFI sniffers picking up my phone, a cell phone interceptor recording my IMEI, facial detection and tracking, etc ... simply dripping in spy devices. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had some special artillery room with military grade weapons. It seems horrendously dumb to enter that building following a mob. There's a fair bit of evidence to support the hypothesis that these weren't the brightest people.
    - Delmania 6y ago
      Most actually believed this was the start of the Storm and that they would force Congress to overturn the election
      - kristopolous 6y ago
        Are there q-drops around this? I've been out of that loop.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  Surprisingly many of the people who stole souvenirs from the Capitol were willing to tell reporters their full names and hometowns
  - jrockway 6y ago
    I am pretty sure they are expecting a pardon.
    - sangnoir 6y ago
      ...or not being prosecuted under a 2nd Trump term - perhaps even lauded as heroes.
- pvarangot 6y ago
  "A friend" was detained in protests and illegal parties multiple times, the police will make you identify yourself when you don't have an ID and they radio in or verify your identity with the terminals on their cars. You are obliged to identify yourself when you are "detained", and if you don't in cases like this were there's ample evidence of _at least_ breaking and entering they will arrest you and move on to the next person. They had basically all of the the DC police at their disposal for this, plus the national guard. They can't say they didn't have the resources to identify 100 protesters, I've seen them do it with 20 police officers with bigger groups. If they are overwhelmed they don't do the verification but they always always always at least write the given identities on a notebook or the car computer. If they didn't do that when they emptied this building is because someone on the chain of command told them not to. Otherwise they _have_ to do it.
  - tastyfreeze 6y ago
    Unless you are under arrest you do not need to give identification.
    - pvarangot 6y ago
      That's what's written but it's not how it works, because "being detained" is usually not stipulated in laws. If you are detained, which the police have ample power to do so if you for example just broke into the Capitol, if you don't identify yourself usually you _will_ get arrested. So yeah, if you are not arrested you don't have to identify yourself. But if the police show up and you are clearly committing a crime if you actively refuse to identify yourself you will get arrested and you will have to identify yourself.
      - tastyfreeze 6y ago
        That is only true in stop and identify states. Being in the building is not itself a crime. Unless there is enough evidence to actually arrest an individual they can just sit there and not say a damn thing until the police are required to release.
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- howlgarnish 6y ago
  This moron did: https://twitter.com/TreWardWBAL/status/1347226070085480448 https://twitter.com/TreWardWBAL/status/1347226070085480448
jrockway 6y ago
Should have set up a Stripe terminal claiming to be collecting donations for Trump.

I think they missed the easiest way, getting each person's ID as they exited the building.

jessaustin 6y ago

That would probably work for these morons, but in general people don't take their IDs to protests.

jhowell 6y ago
No, but they do take cellphones.
- rdxm 6y ago
  lol, prob one or two stingrays floating around that area....
- pvarangot 6y ago
  The police can't ask for your cellphone while you are in the limbo of being detained but not arrested. Once you are arrested they can get a warrant for your cellphone, but getting it unlocked can be a whole different issue. If you are arrested they will usually identify you via face recognition or fingerprints.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    I think they would have been able to arrest everyone inside the Capitol building, since everyone inside was breaking the law.
    - pvarangot 6y ago
      Yes most definitely. They also have the infrastructure to do so, but not sure they have the infrastructure to keep them arrested until everything is sorted out.
      - vkou 6y ago
        They absolutely have that infrastructure. Handcuff all of them, and let them lie face-down on the pavement while you process them. That's what usually happens with mass arrests.
  - elorant 6y ago
    I don't think parent comment was about confiscating phones rather than identifying which phones were in the area during the infiltration. If you can sort out the ones who had reason for being there, everyone else is a possible culprit.
    - pvarangot 6y ago
      Legally getting that information from cellphone towers or tech companies and then acting on it would take at least one week, even if they had killed multiple people. A three letter agency could probably get it clandestinely and act para-legally for example putting people on surveillance or getting a flash arrest warrant for an unrelated but quickly to parallel-construct crime, but I don't see that happening in this case. If there's going to be arrests based on cellphone tower or mobile app data I would expect them to happen by the end of next week.
hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
The first part of your statement was correct: https://i.imgur.com/1erVokO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1erVokO.jpg He was promptly fired by his employer.
- kristopolous 6y ago
  He made it look like a media badge but the actual media took very high resolution photos of him where you could fairly easily read it https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/06/ap21007017666908_custom-4bfa27b7ff7e8b13e60e809e0f05e4e6ce33f275.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/06/ap21007017666908... It's some kind of wild foolishness here. The guy participated in what's likely legally somewhere in the neighborhood of insurrection and then he stood there as international media was snapping photos and he didn't think to hide his giant nametag... I'm sure most who ended up inside were just "following the crowd" and didn't actually plan to be there or murder anyone so it's probably not an "insurrection" in how I would personally define it, (as in, some planned execution of a coordinated intent to seize control of the government), but yeah, probably not the legal waters anyone wants to be swimming in. In the history books, usually a failed coup is followed by either lining the plotters up against the wall without trial and shooting them or a public execution. It's no good If I was there I'd be assuming that there'd be a whole slew of undisclosed trackers everywhere in that building - RFID readers picking up my credit cards, BTLE and WIFI sniffers picking up my phone, a cell phone interceptor recording my IMEI, facial detection and tracking, etc ... simply dripping in spy devices. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had some special artillery room with military grade weapons. It seems horrendously dumb to enter that building following a mob. There's a fair bit of evidence to support the hypothesis that these weren't the brightest people.
  - Delmania 6y ago
    Most actually believed this was the start of the Storm and that they would force Congress to overturn the election
    - kristopolous 6y ago
      Are there q-drops around this? I've been out of that loop.
Rebelgecko 6y ago
Surprisingly many of the people who stole souvenirs from the Capitol were willing to tell reporters their full names and hometowns
- jrockway 6y ago
  I am pretty sure they are expecting a pardon.
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    ...or not being prosecuted under a 2nd Trump term - perhaps even lauded as heroes.
pvarangot 6y ago
"A friend" was detained in protests and illegal parties multiple times, the police will make you identify yourself when you don't have an ID and they radio in or verify your identity with the terminals on their cars. You are obliged to identify yourself when you are "detained", and if you don't in cases like this were there's ample evidence of _at least_ breaking and entering they will arrest you and move on to the next person. They had basically all of the the DC police at their disposal for this, plus the national guard. They can't say they didn't have the resources to identify 100 protesters, I've seen them do it with 20 police officers with bigger groups. If they are overwhelmed they don't do the verification but they always always always at least write the given identities on a notebook or the car computer. If they didn't do that when they emptied this building is because someone on the chain of command told them not to. Otherwise they _have_ to do it.
- tastyfreeze 6y ago
  Unless you are under arrest you do not need to give identification.
  - pvarangot 6y ago
    That's what's written but it's not how it works, because "being detained" is usually not stipulated in laws. If you are detained, which the police have ample power to do so if you for example just broke into the Capitol, if you don't identify yourself usually you _will_ get arrested. So yeah, if you are not arrested you don't have to identify yourself. But if the police show up and you are clearly committing a crime if you actively refuse to identify yourself you will get arrested and you will have to identify yourself.
    - tastyfreeze 6y ago
      That is only true in stop and identify states. Being in the building is not itself a crime. Unless there is enough evidence to actually arrest an individual they can just sit there and not say a damn thing until the police are required to release.
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howlgarnish 6y ago
This moron did: https://twitter.com/TreWardWBAL/status/1347226070085480448 https://twitter.com/TreWardWBAL/status/1347226070085480448

jrockway 6y ago

Should have set up a Stripe terminal claiming to be collecting donations for Trump.