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Such a deja vu. Once the big boys come. I think I've heard this being repeated ever since 2013. But hearing it for 8 years makes me believe somewhat less that m

Such a deja vu. Once the big boys come. I think I've heard this being repeated ever since 2013. But hearing it for 8 years makes me believe somewhat less that most of these old school manufacturers will ever bother to do much. Except for Volkswagen, they seem to be taking EVs seriously. Other old car companies sure do talk a lot, but there's little action. They might have okish EVs, but no plans to truly mass manufacture them. Once they finally get to it, it'll be too late. We'll see. Tesla is a "big boy" itself now. They got capital to make things happen.

tonfa 6y ago
> They might have okish EVs, but no plans to truly mass manufacture them Isn't the renault zoe selling better than tesla cars in europe?
- vardump 6y ago
  For now. But will Renault be able to scale manufacturing to match VW and Tesla? Just Tesla's Giga Berlin is going to push out 500k vehicles annually after the ramp up. And its max capacity is rumored to be 2000k/year, although that's probably at least 3-4 years away. Both VW and Tesla will move to cheaper vehicles over time.
henrikschroder 6y ago
> Other old car companies sure do talk a lot, but there's little action. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/29/record-electric-vehicle-sales-in-europe/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/29/record-electric-vehicle... 85% of the electric cars sold in Europe Jan-Nov 2020 were not Tesla. Seems like the competition already caught up to them, despite the fanboys claiming it'll never happen. For 2021, Tesla has nothing new in the pipeline for the European market, while its competitors have quite a lot of models lined up, so I'm pretty sure Teslas marketshare will continue dropping. They'll sell more vehicles than 2020, sure, but only because the EV market as a whole is growing.
- vardump 6y ago
  > For 2021, Tesla has nothing new in the pipeline for the European market... You mean other than soon to be introduced in Europe Model Y and 2021 Model 3? Expect price drops as well once the manufacturing is done locally. That's exactly what happened in China and now Tesla has 6 month order queue there.
nixass 6y ago
Why would you need to match Tesla? What is so appealing to Teslas is lower segment market? Not sure where you're from but European market is completely different to US' and people have different expectations from their cars, which Tesla hardly satisfies. Oh yes, and Tesla assembly quality is barely on par with some eastern European cheapos.

tonfa 6y ago

> They might have okish EVs, but no plans to truly mass manufacture them Isn't the renault zoe selling better than tesla cars in europe?

vardump 6y ago
For now. But will Renault be able to scale manufacturing to match VW and Tesla? Just Tesla's Giga Berlin is going to push out 500k vehicles annually after the ramp up. And its max capacity is rumored to be 2000k/year, although that's probably at least 3-4 years away. Both VW and Tesla will move to cheaper vehicles over time.

henrikschroder 6y ago

> Other old car companies sure do talk a lot, but there's little action. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/29/record-electric-vehicle-sales-in-europe/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/29/record-electric-vehicle... 85% of the electric cars sold in Europe Jan-Nov 2020 were not Tesla. Seems like the competition already caught up to them, despite the fanboys claiming it'll never happen. For 2021, Tesla has nothing new in the pipeline for the European market, while its competitors have quite a lot of models lined up, so I'm pretty sure Teslas marketshare will continue dropping. They'll sell more vehicles than 2020, sure, but only because the EV market as a whole is growing.

vardump 6y ago
> For 2021, Tesla has nothing new in the pipeline for the European market... You mean other than soon to be introduced in Europe Model Y and 2021 Model 3? Expect price drops as well once the manufacturing is done locally. That's exactly what happened in China and now Tesla has 6 month order queue there.

nixass 6y ago

Why would you need to match Tesla? What is so appealing to Teslas is lower segment market? Not sure where you're from but European market is completely different to US' and people have different expectations from their cars, which Tesla hardly satisfies. Oh yes, and Tesla assembly quality is barely on par with some eastern European cheapos.