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> How would one start pushing for such legislation? Lessen the punishment of street criminals.

by freerobby 6y ago

tartoran 6y ago
And what would that solve? White collar crime won't be affected at all
- recursive 6y ago
  That would solve the problem of punishment disparity between street- and white-collar- crime.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    I care more for a disparity between criminals and non criminals to be honest. White collar criminals dilapidate enormous amounts of money but street criminals could directly be violent towards whom they rob. (and being robbed, asides from the financial loss, it often leaves some psychological scars). I see your point and it's hard to imagine that a person stealing say, some food, because they're starving may do time in prison and yet the author of a multimillion shenanigan goes scot-free, yes that's not fair at all, but lowering the punishment for street crime will make us average people even more miserable. The only rational thing to do is start punishing white crime seriously so it is a huge deterrent. Currently white criminals who get convicted stay in prisons whose conditions are better than the situation of a lot of struggling full time working Americans. I find that appalling
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
As long as we still punish them enough to make engaging in petty "crime with a victim" not worth it. None of this SF bull-crap where we basically don't punish the bike thieves, shoplifters and porch pirates but still find people hundreds of dollars for doing donuts in empty parking lots or not obtaining a permit before building a deck on their own house. I'm fine with not doing squat to deter victimless crime but we can't allow the punishments for crime with a victim to be so low that it's more lucrative than a real job even after being caught many times.
- AshWolfy 6y ago
  high prison sentences dont deter crime, people just assume they can get away with it

> How would one start pushing for such legislation? Lessen the punishment of street criminals.

tartoran 6y ago

And what would that solve? White collar crime won't be affected at all

recursive 6y ago
That would solve the problem of punishment disparity between street- and white-collar- crime.
- tartoran 6y ago
  I care more for a disparity between criminals and non criminals to be honest. White collar criminals dilapidate enormous amounts of money but street criminals could directly be violent towards whom they rob. (and being robbed, asides from the financial loss, it often leaves some psychological scars). I see your point and it's hard to imagine that a person stealing say, some food, because they're starving may do time in prison and yet the author of a multimillion shenanigan goes scot-free, yes that's not fair at all, but lowering the punishment for street crime will make us average people even more miserable. The only rational thing to do is start punishing white crime seriously so it is a huge deterrent. Currently white criminals who get convicted stay in prisons whose conditions are better than the situation of a lot of struggling full time working Americans. I find that appalling

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

As long as we still punish them enough to make engaging in petty "crime with a victim" not worth it. None of this SF bull-crap where we basically don't punish the bike thieves, shoplifters and porch pirates but still find people hundreds of dollars for doing donuts in empty parking lots or not obtaining a permit before building a deck on their own house. I'm fine with not doing squat to deter victimless crime but we can't allow the punishments for crime with a victim to be so low that it's more lucrative than a real job even after being caught many times.

AshWolfy 6y ago
high prison sentences dont deter crime, people just assume they can get away with it