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> Can someone explain why they would buy a Mac and install linux? Because OSX, besides being a user prison, is certainly far from being as good as their hardw

> Can someone explain why they would buy a Mac and install linux? Because OSX, besides being a user prison, is certainly far from being as good as their hardware.

baggy_trough 6y ago
Quite some prison that allows you to install linux and whatever other software you'd like.
- happymellon 6y ago
  Really? Because my Mac by default nags the crap out of anything downloaded, and does this best to block applications that haven't paid various Apple Taxes.
  - baggy_trough 6y ago
    I don’t have that experience.
    - happymellon 6y ago
      How can you not? Unless you sign your app with your Dev cert, that you pay Apple for, Apple won't let your app run without going under the hood and fuck around with permissions.
      - baggy_trough 6y ago
        Fact check: false.
        happymellon 6y ago
        https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Developers-on-a-Mac https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Devel... Nope. fact check true. Unsigned software will not run on a Mac without having to jump through hoops to enable each app. I predominantly use open source software, and a lot is not signed.
        baggy_trough 6y ago
        So do I, and I never have to sign any of it or jump through hoops.
machello13 6y ago
Still leagues better than Linux.
- uncledave 6y ago
  I have to agree. I’ve tried to be a desktop Linux user for 20 years unsuccessfully. It only ever gets to 80% done and then they go and break everything. At least Apple get to 95% :)
rswail 6y ago
Can we stop the "user prison" stuff? I've got an iMac 2020 here, I log into iTerm2 and macports has every things I want, installed cleanly and co-operatively with the Apple frameworks and kernel. I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird and Office 365, all native. I also have suppler supported clients for iMessage, Whatsapp, Telegram, Skype, Spotify (whether Electron or not). I have developer utilities like Dash, which is one of the best documentation browsers ever, I have native UI neovim with VimR, I have menu bar utilities for monitoring, cloud sync with Google and Microsoft (and iCloud if I wanted). How exactly am I in a user prison? I'm running the Beta Big Sur and the only bug so far is that the Karabiner kext doesn't load.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Have you tried the version that uses a system extension rather than a kext?

> Can someone explain why they would buy a Mac and install linux? Because OSX, besides being a user prison, is certainly far from being as good as their hardware.

baggy_trough 6y ago

Quite some prison that allows you to install linux and whatever other software you'd like.

happymellon 6y ago
Really? Because my Mac by default nags the crap out of anything downloaded, and does this best to block applications that haven't paid various Apple Taxes.
- baggy_trough 6y ago
  I don’t have that experience.
  - happymellon 6y ago
    How can you not? Unless you sign your app with your Dev cert, that you pay Apple for, Apple won't let your app run without going under the hood and fuck around with permissions.
    - baggy_trough 6y ago
      Fact check: false.
      - happymellon 6y ago
        https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Developers-on-a-Mac https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Devel... Nope. fact check true. Unsigned software will not run on a Mac without having to jump through hoops to enable each app. I predominantly use open source software, and a lot is not signed.
        baggy_trough 6y ago
        So do I, and I never have to sign any of it or jump through hoops.

machello13 6y ago

Still leagues better than Linux.

uncledave 6y ago
I have to agree. I’ve tried to be a desktop Linux user for 20 years unsuccessfully. It only ever gets to 80% done and then they go and break everything. At least Apple get to 95% :)

rswail 6y ago

Can we stop the "user prison" stuff? I've got an iMac 2020 here, I log into iTerm2 and macports has every things I want, installed cleanly and co-operatively with the Apple frameworks and kernel. I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird and Office 365, all native. I also have suppler supported clients for iMessage, Whatsapp, Telegram, Skype, Spotify (whether Electron or not). I have developer utilities like Dash, which is one of the best documentation browsers ever, I have native UI neovim with VimR, I have menu bar utilities for monitoring, cloud sync with Google and Microsoft (and iCloud if I wanted). How exactly am I in a user prison? I'm running the Beta Big Sur and the only bug so far is that the Karabiner kext doesn't load.

saagarjha 6y ago
Have you tried the version that uses a system extension rather than a kext?