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Can they? Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? What about a racist baker who only makes cakes for say black people?

Can they? Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? What about a racist baker who only makes cakes for say black people? Or just white people?

namlem 6y ago
Race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation are protected classes. Anything that is not a protected class is fair game.
- esja 6y ago
  Legally, but not necessarily morally.
devwastaken 6y ago
You should do a lot more research on this topic before talking about it. People do not choose a sexual orientation, nor do they choose the color of their skin. Discrimination for natural factors is the antithesis of America. All men are created equal, common welfare, etc. Believing in a rigged election is up to the whims of an individual. The same as how believing violence is an acceptable answer is the whims of the individual. Those are perfectly discriminatable factors, and rightfully so. Also, for reference, legally yes a cake shop can choose to not make cakes for any reason.
- ofrzeta 6y ago
  An individual does not choose to be stupid, though.
  - ithkuil 6y ago
    You can't hurt people with the color of your skin, but you can hurt people with your actions.
- zarkov99 6y ago
  So your criteria for righteously refusing to provide service is whether the individual had any choice in the thing that is leading to the rejection. So, that would make it OK to refuse service to say Muslims? My point here is not that Trump is a great guy and businesses should be forced to deal with him. Quite the contrary, if I had a business that interested him I would probably also like to refuse him service. But I am not a hypocrite, or I try not to be, so I do think the same freedom should apply to every business, for any reason, as opposed to everybody being forced to adopt the same morals as me.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? Well, in the case that has been litigated to the Supreme Court, the answer was “Yes”, though in part that rested on specific behaviors by the state actors that tried to say “No”, and the outcome might be different otherwise. But certainly, its not established as a matter of law that the answer is “No”, so resting a counterargument to the Shopify action on that being the answer is weak. (Its also weak even if the answer was established to be “No”, because even if it was it would be because of specific laws protecting against private discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation, which are an exception to the general principal that private businesses can choose who to do, or not do, business with.)
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Can they? Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? What about a racist baker who only makes cakes for say black people? Or just white people?

namlem 6y ago

Race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation are protected classes. Anything that is not a protected class is fair game.

esja 6y ago
Legally, but not necessarily morally.

devwastaken 6y ago

You should do a lot more research on this topic before talking about it. People do not choose a sexual orientation, nor do they choose the color of their skin. Discrimination for natural factors is the antithesis of America. All men are created equal, common welfare, etc. Believing in a rigged election is up to the whims of an individual. The same as how believing violence is an acceptable answer is the whims of the individual. Those are perfectly discriminatable factors, and rightfully so. Also, for reference, legally yes a cake shop can choose to not make cakes for any reason.

ofrzeta 6y ago
An individual does not choose to be stupid, though.
- ithkuil 6y ago
  You can't hurt people with the color of your skin, but you can hurt people with your actions.
zarkov99 6y ago
So your criteria for righteously refusing to provide service is whether the individual had any choice in the thing that is leading to the rejection. So, that would make it OK to refuse service to say Muslims? My point here is not that Trump is a great guy and businesses should be forced to deal with him. Quite the contrary, if I had a business that interested him I would probably also like to refuse him service. But I am not a hypocrite, or I try not to be, so I do think the same freedom should apply to every business, for any reason, as opposed to everybody being forced to adopt the same morals as me.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? Well, in the case that has been litigated to the Supreme Court, the answer was “Yes”, though in part that rested on specific behaviors by the state actors that tried to say “No”, and the outcome might be different otherwise. But certainly, its not established as a matter of law that the answer is “No”, so resting a counterargument to the Shopify action on that being the answer is weak. (Its also weak even if the answer was established to be “No”, because even if it was it would be because of specific laws protecting against private discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation, which are an exception to the general principal that private businesses can choose who to do, or not do, business with.)

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