The real 'shitty' thing about HP, and many other Windows laptops isn't even the malware, it's the @#$@# that the manufactures pre-install on these laptops and d

The real 'shitty' thing about HP, and many other Windows laptops isn't even the malware, it's the @#$@# that the manufactures pre-install on these laptops and desktops that they sell. Three years ago my gf and I ordered HP laptops and had to use a program called Crap Remover to get rid of all the Nortan Antivirus junk, the HP software bundled junk and all the preinstalled crapware junk they put on it. After that it ran fine (as fine as Vista got that is) with MSE.