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Police confiscate German Pirate Party’s servers

69 points by rmoriz 15y ago

rmoriz 15y ago
see also http://vorstand.piratenpartei.de/2011/05/20/polizei-beschlagnahmt-server-der-piratenpartei-deutschland/ http://vorstand.piratenpartei.de/2011/05/20/polizei-beschlag... (scroll down for english version)
rmoriz 15y ago
current rumors: reason may be the public hosted etherpad ("piratenpad") and a direction by the french public prosecutor's office
- arecibodrake 15y ago
  I wonder what could have been on it that would be so interesting to the heat?
martin_k 15y ago
Anonymous allegedly took down two police websites in return. http://twitter.com/anon2060/statuses/71577232199524352 http://twitter.com/anon2060/statuses/71577232199524352
- joelthelion 15y ago
  That doesn't help much.
  - martin_k 15y ago
    Well, taking down Paypal and Visa after they stopped processing Wikileaks donations didn't "help much" either. But it is some form of protest after all.
    - joelthelion 15y ago
      Note that they did not give WikiLeaks their money back nor lose a lot of money. I agree it's a form of protest, but not a very good one, because it paints WikiLeaks / Pirate Party supporters in a bad light, and having public opinion on our side is more important than taking down a few servers for a few hours.
      - martin_k 15y ago
        I agree that this could be bad PR for the Pirate Party. But then Anonymous is not the Pirate Party and their goals don't necessarily line up. The way I see it, Anonymous' actions are usually less demonstrations for a particular cause, but more against certain violations of civil rights. In the Wikileaks case e.g. I assume that not everyone who participated in the DDoS against Visa, necessarily agrees with the way Assange leads the organization or cares much about Wikileaks success. And that's probably similar with the current case. You're sailing in the same ocean, but you're not all in the same ship.
- antihero 15y ago
  The internet is like the last place we have left where the powers that be are afraid of the people.
rmoriz 15y ago
News: Websites of the German Police (http://polizei.de http://polizei.de) and Federal Criminal Police Office (http://bka.de http://bka.de) are currently unreachable. rumors: Anonymous disabled the sites
- stygianguest 15y ago
  I wonder why it is so easy to take down these sites, as I am under the impression that Anonymous consists mostly of script kiddies. Are these attacks DDoS? That shouldn't be too hard to arrange if you're with enough people + perhaps some unemployed botnets.
  - sorbus 15y ago
    Yeah, they're all DDoSes. Look into the Low Orbit Ion Cannon; it used to be (and may still be) the tool that they used. The hacks that are attributed to Anonymous seem to be mostly be the work of a small core of actual hackers who either use Anonymous as cover or support its ideology.
  - tomjen3 15y ago
    It wouldn't be difficult for anyone here to make the sites much more difficult to protect but these are government sites which means they likely have incapable people working who are tied down by sixteen layers of bureaucracy.
jk4930 15y ago
German Pirate Party == leftist pot heads (mostly coming from the green and socialist parties) with some affinity to computers. Most of them are obese. And usually don't shower. And don't know how to dress. It's pathetic. :) Now they try to extend their political agenda with typical leftist stuff: basic income for all, anti-business, open borders for all a.s.o. and the few women try to push some vegan ideology. The funny thing is that their agenda was 100% predictable from their physical appearance. The good thing is that they're almost history. They had their time of hype and media attention and now they cripple around and nobody cares.
- sorbus 15y ago
  You should probably read the guidelines again. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jk4930 15y ago
    Where's the problem? This is something I do tell people into their faces (because it's true) and it's not the start of a flamewar but my educated observation (being in politics for more than 16 years). All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. And these are only the obvious points. It gets worse with the fact that most of them are politically naive. They are morons because (political) hackers would consume the existing literature on the social domain first before making stupid proposals that won't work. (Most of their proposals won't work either because they get the incentives wrong or they don't scale.) Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines.
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    - jodrellblank 15y ago
      Where's the problem? That "they don't shower and I don't like how they dress so I predicted they are anti-business and they are now crippled and failing hooray, morons" is a terrible argument filled with personal attacks and cliched "geeks don't shower" internet arguments - and they are against the posting guidelines. Also that your comment is content-free. First paragraph: nothing but insults. Second paragraph - an alledged list of their policies presented in a negative way. Third paragraph - empty celebration. The guidelines say "don't say anything you wouldn't say face to face", but that shouldn't mean "if you are rude in real life, feel free to be rude here".
rmoriz 15y ago
News: German news magazine Spiegel Online says (Headline), the raid was caused because some users used the hosted etherpad ("piratenpad") of the Pirat Party to plan attacks on french power provider EdF (Électricité de France). Source (German): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,763939,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,763939,00....
piratenblog 15y ago
the page listed here is mine, and i am quite surprised how many people were looking at it. if you have any questions, just make a comment here or on my blog and i will try to answer it. the text on the page is NOT mine, it was written by the party. i am a member of the party since early 2007 and we had similar problems in 2008 (the spokesperson mentioned was me) http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-uncovering-state-trojan-080917/ http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-u...
- piratenblog 15y ago
  some news here, the german pirate party has just made an official complaint at the district court Darmstadt. http://twitter.com/#!/Piratenpartei/statuses/71726517587156993 http://twitter.com/#!/Piratenpartei/statuses/717265175871569...
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69 points by rmoriz 15y ago

see also http://vorstand.piratenpartei.de/2011/05/20/polizei-beschlagnahmt-server-der-piratenpartei-deutschland/ http://vorstand.piratenpartei.de/2011/05/20/polizei-beschlag... (scroll down for english version)

rmoriz 15y ago

current rumors: reason may be the public hosted etherpad ("piratenpad") and a direction by the french public prosecutor's office

arecibodrake 15y ago
I wonder what could have been on it that would be so interesting to the heat?

martin_k 15y ago

Anonymous allegedly took down two police websites in return. http://twitter.com/anon2060/statuses/71577232199524352 http://twitter.com/anon2060/statuses/71577232199524352

joelthelion 15y ago
That doesn't help much.
- martin_k 15y ago
  Well, taking down Paypal and Visa after they stopped processing Wikileaks donations didn't "help much" either. But it is some form of protest after all.
  - joelthelion 15y ago
    Note that they did not give WikiLeaks their money back nor lose a lot of money. I agree it's a form of protest, but not a very good one, because it paints WikiLeaks / Pirate Party supporters in a bad light, and having public opinion on our side is more important than taking down a few servers for a few hours.
    - martin_k 15y ago
      I agree that this could be bad PR for the Pirate Party. But then Anonymous is not the Pirate Party and their goals don't necessarily line up. The way I see it, Anonymous' actions are usually less demonstrations for a particular cause, but more against certain violations of civil rights. In the Wikileaks case e.g. I assume that not everyone who participated in the DDoS against Visa, necessarily agrees with the way Assange leads the organization or cares much about Wikileaks success. And that's probably similar with the current case. You're sailing in the same ocean, but you're not all in the same ship.
antihero 15y ago
The internet is like the last place we have left where the powers that be are afraid of the people.

rmoriz 15y ago

News: Websites of the German Police (http://polizei.de http://polizei.de) and Federal Criminal Police Office (http://bka.de http://bka.de) are currently unreachable. rumors: Anonymous disabled the sites

stygianguest 15y ago
I wonder why it is so easy to take down these sites, as I am under the impression that Anonymous consists mostly of script kiddies. Are these attacks DDoS? That shouldn't be too hard to arrange if you're with enough people + perhaps some unemployed botnets.
- sorbus 15y ago
  Yeah, they're all DDoSes. Look into the Low Orbit Ion Cannon; it used to be (and may still be) the tool that they used. The hacks that are attributed to Anonymous seem to be mostly be the work of a small core of actual hackers who either use Anonymous as cover or support its ideology.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  It wouldn't be difficult for anyone here to make the sites much more difficult to protect but these are government sites which means they likely have incapable people working who are tied down by sixteen layers of bureaucracy.

jk4930 15y ago

German Pirate Party == leftist pot heads (mostly coming from the green and socialist parties) with some affinity to computers. Most of them are obese. And usually don't shower. And don't know how to dress. It's pathetic. :) Now they try to extend their political agenda with typical leftist stuff: basic income for all, anti-business, open borders for all a.s.o. and the few women try to push some vegan ideology. The funny thing is that their agenda was 100% predictable from their physical appearance. The good thing is that they're almost history. They had their time of hype and media attention and now they cripple around and nobody cares.

sorbus 15y ago
You should probably read the guidelines again. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jk4930 15y ago
  Where's the problem? This is something I do tell people into their faces (because it's true) and it's not the start of a flamewar but my educated observation (being in politics for more than 16 years). All my points mentioned are relevant to see where these fellas are coming from and why they won't succeed. And these are only the obvious points. It gets worse with the fact that most of them are politically naive. They are morons because (political) hackers would consume the existing literature on the social domain first before making stupid proposals that won't work. (Most of their proposals won't work either because they get the incentives wrong or they don't scale.) Not everything you don't like reading is against the guidelines.
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  - jodrellblank 15y ago
    Where's the problem? That "they don't shower and I don't like how they dress so I predicted they are anti-business and they are now crippled and failing hooray, morons" is a terrible argument filled with personal attacks and cliched "geeks don't shower" internet arguments - and they are against the posting guidelines. Also that your comment is content-free. First paragraph: nothing but insults. Second paragraph - an alledged list of their policies presented in a negative way. Third paragraph - empty celebration. The guidelines say "don't say anything you wouldn't say face to face", but that shouldn't mean "if you are rude in real life, feel free to be rude here".

rmoriz 15y ago

News: German news magazine Spiegel Online says (Headline), the raid was caused because some users used the hosted etherpad ("piratenpad") of the Pirat Party to plan attacks on french power provider EdF (Électricité de France). Source (German): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,763939,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,763939,00....

piratenblog 15y ago

the page listed here is mine, and i am quite surprised how many people were looking at it. if you have any questions, just make a comment here or on my blog and i will try to answer it. the text on the page is NOT mine, it was written by the party. i am a member of the party since early 2007 and we had similar problems in 2008 (the spokesperson mentioned was me) http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-uncovering-state-trojan-080917/ http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-u...

piratenblog 15y ago
some news here, the german pirate party has just made an official complaint at the district court Darmstadt. http://twitter.com/#!/Piratenpartei/statuses/71726517587156993 http://twitter.com/#!/Piratenpartei/statuses/717265175871569...

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