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Trump - and his supporters - are the "they". They are the monsters here. They are the ones invading capitols. They are the ones emboldening white supremacists,

Trump - and his supporters - are the "they". They are the monsters here. They are the ones invading capitols. They are the ones emboldening white supremacists, racists and fascists. They are the one demanding to overturn the legitimate outcome of a democratic election. It's an insult to the millions and millions who died during WWII to corrupt the message behind this famous poem/statement and insinuate that Trump and his supporters are the victims here. They are not the victims. They are the problem. And they need to be crushed.

djsumdog 6y ago
> Trump - and his supporters - are the "they" 70 million people. All of them are fascists? I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You have no idea who the "they" is until it's too late. That's why the freedom of speech covers everybody. In America, we are not afraid of ideas. My dad survived a civil war, got his degree and immigrated here legally to be a part of that America. It's the America I grew up in, and that America is slowly falling from the grips of rationality and embracing real true fascism. You think Trump was fascist? Just wait for the next four years. You are about to see freedoms and civil rights disappear like never before.
- king_magic 6y ago
  > 70 million people. All of them are fascists? Yes. They are de facto fascists. I’m not going to argue history with you beyond this comment, but I seriously, seriously doubt any serious historians would agree that Germans “thought they’d be defeating fascists” by supporting the Nazis - who were, you know, actual fascists.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    > Yes. They are de facto fascists. Jesus that's insane. No, no they are not. Do you not see the danger we're about to enter into? You're saying 70 million people are "de factor fascists" .. what the fuck does that even mean?! Have you been out to a farm in Tennessee? Have you ever walked with a group of friends through the blue watering holes of Georgia? Have you broke bread and had dinner with them? I grew up in Tennessee. I will no condemn the views of 70 million people I do not know because the TV tells me they are "fascists," which is pretty much Orwellian DoubleSpeak and means absolutely nothing today. You do not know these people. If you did, you would not say such things. You are trapped in a bubble where you are scared out of your mind, and that fear will help this republic fall and strip rights away from every human being in America and maybe even the world over the next four years.
    - krapp 6y ago
      Anyone who continues to excuse or support Trump after yesterday's events willfully supports sedition and treason. The Rubicon has been crossed, they no longer get to prevaricate about him being strong on China or jobs or immigration, or being the least worst possible option on the table. If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist.
      - djsumdog 6y ago
        > If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist If you think this way, you're deranged. This is how religion starts. This is how wars start. If a war started, the righteous would not prevail. They rarely do. Wars almost always lead to autocracies. America was a rare exception. I guess that time may be coming to an end soon.
        krapp 6y ago
        The war has already started, and Trump supporters were the ones who declared it. It started when white nationalist militia members in collaboration with the President and his party launched an insurrection to disrupt the government's certification of electoral votes in a futile attempt to invalidate the election of Trump's successor and the will of the people, and install him into power instead. And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election. Neo-nazis looted the Capital while some asshole dressed like a buffalo took selfies with the police who let them in like guests, and i'm deranged?
        djsumdog 6y ago
        > And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election Pipe bombs were in the DNC/RNC headquarters and not done by this group. They didn't have "guns, knifes and zip-ties" .. I think there were 4 charged with guns? None of them used them. The only person shot and killed was a Capitol Officer shooting blindly into a crowd, hitting a white unarmed woman, nearly hitting another Federal Officer. I wonder if he'll face charges. I wonder if that woman will get memorials in her honor. Did you know she was an Air Force veteran? There are videos of the people in the capitol taking selfies with capitol police and walking around peacefully. Weird coup. > Neo-nazis I saw people who supported Tump. I didn't see any neo nazis. There was one man with a communist tattoo, and some fucking QAnon idiot with a racoon on his head who should go to federal prison. If you really think this was some kind of insurrection, I feel sorry for you. It was nothing of the sort. It was pittance compared to the burning down of a fucking police station by BLM rioters. "oh I'm so scared. The peasants in the village have made their way into the royal court and sat at our golden seats and found our candy desk!" Anyone who broke or stole anything will face federal charges and will go away (and should). But classifying that entire group the way you have is disingenuous. Especially compared to the rioting and looting that's been endorsed and encourages as being good and righteous by the left wing media. The media has told us setting things on fire by BLM is fine for months and now they're acting like 1/10th of that is the end of democracy. > “But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.” -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
- esoterica 6y ago
  > 70 million people. "There are a lot of them, they can't all be wrong and evil" is a dumb line of reasoning. The majority of Americans used to support slavery and the majority of Germany used to support Hitler.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    And were all of those people evil, terrible people? Seriously? You need to go back and look at the Stanley Milgram experiments. It's impossible to really know if you or I would murder the person in the other room if the person in authority told us to, but I suspect you probably would.
- herbstein 6y ago
  > I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You'd be pretty wrong. At best they thought Hitler would soften greatly after he rose to power, at worst they agreed with everything he said and did. In '33 German non-Jewish shops started putting up "German Free" stickers. Einstein fled the country in that same year. His photo was widely published in newspapers with "not yet hanged" as the sub-heading. His friend, Theodor Lassing, was shot and killed, an act that was celebrated in Germany. Hitler had been imprisoned for his actions before his rise to power, and was a largely known entity before the Germans "turned to him". There wasn't a lot of confusion about what he thought, who he hated, or what he wanted to do with them. Mein Kampf was released in 2 parts across 1925 and 1926. An actual criticism about the time just before Hitler's rise to power, is that every other powerful party took him for a joke. They didn't expect him to be a viable rival. So instead, the Communist party (one of the major parties at the time) spend their squabbling with the Socialdemocrats instead of focusing their attention on the "real enemy". If you're actually interested in this topic, you should read the book "They thought they were Free". It chronicles how normal people fell to support the fascists - the Nazi party.

djsumdog 6y ago

> Trump - and his supporters - are the "they" 70 million people. All of them are fascists? I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You have no idea who the "they" is until it's too late. That's why the freedom of speech covers everybody. In America, we are not afraid of ideas. My dad survived a civil war, got his degree and immigrated here legally to be a part of that America. It's the America I grew up in, and that America is slowly falling from the grips of rationality and embracing real true fascism. You think Trump was fascist? Just wait for the next four years. You are about to see freedoms and civil rights disappear like never before.

king_magic 6y ago
> 70 million people. All of them are fascists? Yes. They are de facto fascists. I’m not going to argue history with you beyond this comment, but I seriously, seriously doubt any serious historians would agree that Germans “thought they’d be defeating fascists” by supporting the Nazis - who were, you know, actual fascists.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  > Yes. They are de facto fascists. Jesus that's insane. No, no they are not. Do you not see the danger we're about to enter into? You're saying 70 million people are "de factor fascists" .. what the fuck does that even mean?! Have you been out to a farm in Tennessee? Have you ever walked with a group of friends through the blue watering holes of Georgia? Have you broke bread and had dinner with them? I grew up in Tennessee. I will no condemn the views of 70 million people I do not know because the TV tells me they are "fascists," which is pretty much Orwellian DoubleSpeak and means absolutely nothing today. You do not know these people. If you did, you would not say such things. You are trapped in a bubble where you are scared out of your mind, and that fear will help this republic fall and strip rights away from every human being in America and maybe even the world over the next four years.
  - krapp 6y ago
    Anyone who continues to excuse or support Trump after yesterday's events willfully supports sedition and treason. The Rubicon has been crossed, they no longer get to prevaricate about him being strong on China or jobs or immigration, or being the least worst possible option on the table. If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      > If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist If you think this way, you're deranged. This is how religion starts. This is how wars start. If a war started, the righteous would not prevail. They rarely do. Wars almost always lead to autocracies. America was a rare exception. I guess that time may be coming to an end soon.
      - krapp 6y ago
        The war has already started, and Trump supporters were the ones who declared it. It started when white nationalist militia members in collaboration with the President and his party launched an insurrection to disrupt the government's certification of electoral votes in a futile attempt to invalidate the election of Trump's successor and the will of the people, and install him into power instead. And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election. Neo-nazis looted the Capital while some asshole dressed like a buffalo took selfies with the police who let them in like guests, and i'm deranged?
        djsumdog 6y ago
        > And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election Pipe bombs were in the DNC/RNC headquarters and not done by this group. They didn't have "guns, knifes and zip-ties" .. I think there were 4 charged with guns? None of them used them. The only person shot and killed was a Capitol Officer shooting blindly into a crowd, hitting a white unarmed woman, nearly hitting another Federal Officer. I wonder if he'll face charges. I wonder if that woman will get memorials in her honor. Did you know she was an Air Force veteran? There are videos of the people in the capitol taking selfies with capitol police and walking around peacefully. Weird coup. > Neo-nazis I saw people who supported Tump. I didn't see any neo nazis. There was one man with a communist tattoo, and some fucking QAnon idiot with a racoon on his head who should go to federal prison. If you really think this was some kind of insurrection, I feel sorry for you. It was nothing of the sort. It was pittance compared to the burning down of a fucking police station by BLM rioters. "oh I'm so scared. The peasants in the village have made their way into the royal court and sat at our golden seats and found our candy desk!" Anyone who broke or stole anything will face federal charges and will go away (and should). But classifying that entire group the way you have is disingenuous. Especially compared to the rioting and looting that's been endorsed and encourages as being good and righteous by the left wing media. The media has told us setting things on fire by BLM is fine for months and now they're acting like 1/10th of that is the end of democracy. > “But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.” -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
esoterica 6y ago
> 70 million people. "There are a lot of them, they can't all be wrong and evil" is a dumb line of reasoning. The majority of Americans used to support slavery and the majority of Germany used to support Hitler.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  And were all of those people evil, terrible people? Seriously? You need to go back and look at the Stanley Milgram experiments. It's impossible to really know if you or I would murder the person in the other room if the person in authority told us to, but I suspect you probably would.
herbstein 6y ago
> I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You'd be pretty wrong. At best they thought Hitler would soften greatly after he rose to power, at worst they agreed with everything he said and did. In '33 German non-Jewish shops started putting up "German Free" stickers. Einstein fled the country in that same year. His photo was widely published in newspapers with "not yet hanged" as the sub-heading. His friend, Theodor Lassing, was shot and killed, an act that was celebrated in Germany. Hitler had been imprisoned for his actions before his rise to power, and was a largely known entity before the Germans "turned to him". There wasn't a lot of confusion about what he thought, who he hated, or what he wanted to do with them. Mein Kampf was released in 2 parts across 1925 and 1926. An actual criticism about the time just before Hitler's rise to power, is that every other powerful party took him for a joke. They didn't expect him to be a viable rival. So instead, the Communist party (one of the major parties at the time) spend their squabbling with the Socialdemocrats instead of focusing their attention on the "real enemy". If you're actually interested in this topic, you should read the book "They thought they were Free". It chronicles how normal people fell to support the fascists - the Nazi party.