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This isn't really true. You won't be allowed on most anarchist servers unless you agree not to be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

stouset 6y ago
So you’re telling me that these platforms, operated by private entities, do have the power to moderate what content they allowed to be published? I find it ironic that the same people who question whether or not Facebook should be allowed to do this seemingly have no problem with the moderation on Hacker News. Trump’s account would have been restricted within days here after repeated warnings. And yet few seem to question that @dang’s moderation is precisely how we continue to (mostly) have high-level, thoughtful discussion around these topics. Fewer still question HN’s right to perform moderation in general. And yet when it comes to Donald Trump’s calls—from a seat of power—to overthrow the results of free, fair, and democratic elections so that he can stay in office, we’re supposed to simply throw our hands up in the air and accept it? When he uses thinly-veiled (and sometimes completely open) language encouraging his supporters to use violence to achieve his goals, we’re supposed to accept that there’s just nothing to be done? Anyone making this argument should be deeply, deeply ashamed.
noctua 6y ago
I'm not active on any online anarchist servers so I can't comment on that. But the anarchists I know in real life, at least based on the conversations we've had, support absolute free speech.
- slutd 6y ago
  as an anarchist, i can explain that none of us support government restrictions on speech, and i would like my enemies to be as loud as possible so i know who to target.
- guerrilla 6y ago
  You probably mean so-called libertarians or something. No anarchist I know online or in real life accepts hate speech in their community.
  - noctua 6y ago
    No, I've only heard of libertarianism in the context of America. The people I know call themselves anarchists. I don't have much knowledge about anarchism so I don't know if there's different flavors of it. Like I've heard of anarcho-communism which must be fundamentally quite different. Based on the conversations I've had with them, my own understanding was that the idea would be almost like Laissez-faire, but even more extreme since there's no government at all.
    - guerrilla 6y ago
      Almost all anarchists around the world would not consider those people anarchists. Anarchism is anti-capitalist. Please see the history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
      - noctua 6y ago
        If it's not anarchism then what would you call a completely stateless system that still has a similar free market economy to what we have today? As far as I know, Laissez-faire system still has a state. The group I know is mostly well-off and educated people, not some edgy 16yos. Maybe they've taken anarchism and given their own spin to it. I guess it doesn't really matter. I should have said the "anarchists" I know and some groups I've seen online support absolute free speech.
        guerrilla 6y ago
        Most anarchists around the world would say that it's not possible except for mutualists. What you're talking about is what Americans call libertarianism.

stouset 6y ago

So you’re telling me that these platforms, operated by private entities, do have the power to moderate what content they allowed to be published? I find it ironic that the same people who question whether or not Facebook should be allowed to do this seemingly have no problem with the moderation on Hacker News. Trump’s account would have been restricted within days here after repeated warnings. And yet few seem to question that @dang’s moderation is precisely how we continue to (mostly) have high-level, thoughtful discussion around these topics. Fewer still question HN’s right to perform moderation in general. And yet when it comes to Donald Trump’s calls—from a seat of power—to overthrow the results of free, fair, and democratic elections so that he can stay in office, we’re supposed to simply throw our hands up in the air and accept it? When he uses thinly-veiled (and sometimes completely open) language encouraging his supporters to use violence to achieve his goals, we’re supposed to accept that there’s just nothing to be done? Anyone making this argument should be deeply, deeply ashamed.

noctua 6y ago

I'm not active on any online anarchist servers so I can't comment on that. But the anarchists I know in real life, at least based on the conversations we've had, support absolute free speech.

slutd 6y ago
as an anarchist, i can explain that none of us support government restrictions on speech, and i would like my enemies to be as loud as possible so i know who to target.
guerrilla 6y ago
You probably mean so-called libertarians or something. No anarchist I know online or in real life accepts hate speech in their community.
- noctua 6y ago
  No, I've only heard of libertarianism in the context of America. The people I know call themselves anarchists. I don't have much knowledge about anarchism so I don't know if there's different flavors of it. Like I've heard of anarcho-communism which must be fundamentally quite different. Based on the conversations I've had with them, my own understanding was that the idea would be almost like Laissez-faire, but even more extreme since there's no government at all.
  - guerrilla 6y ago
    Almost all anarchists around the world would not consider those people anarchists. Anarchism is anti-capitalist. Please see the history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
    - noctua 6y ago
      If it's not anarchism then what would you call a completely stateless system that still has a similar free market economy to what we have today? As far as I know, Laissez-faire system still has a state. The group I know is mostly well-off and educated people, not some edgy 16yos. Maybe they've taken anarchism and given their own spin to it. I guess it doesn't really matter. I should have said the "anarchists" I know and some groups I've seen online support absolute free speech.
      - guerrilla 6y ago
        Most anarchists around the world would say that it's not possible except for mutualists. What you're talking about is what Americans call libertarianism.